Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[the worst]

quack

I think I agree

[Eragon]

So what do you think about Dr.J?

I feel some of their pushes have been opportunistic and surface leve scummy, although I haven’t gone deep.

[the worst]

I think some of their pushes have been surface level and opportunistic but not in a way that is pro mislynch if that makes sense. The fluidity of their reads and the timing on how they've shifted between pushes also feels towny. If they're scum they do not give a fuck about appearances which is chilled

I really struggle with Korina's playstyle regularly bc I always find him reach and opportunistic feeling but as town he is jUSt trYING and I kinda have to bend myself into a pretzel to read it correctly without surrendering to my natural bias. but I'm seeing it here more than I usually see it. Lcp has a pretty similar energy wrt jUSt trYING and I've found him like pretty much fine but I'm townreading Korina more atm

lmk if this makes sense, I think we're seeing pretty similar behaviours in the hydra's iso just coming at it from different angles

[Eragon]

I think some of their pushes have been surface level and opportunistic but not in a way that is pro mislynch if that makes sense. The fluidity of their reads and the timing on how they've shifted between pushes also feels towny. If they're scum they do not give a fuck about appearances which is chilled

I really struggle with Korina's playstyle regularly bc I always find him reach and opportunistic feeling but as town he is jUSt trYING and I kinda have to bend myself into a pretzel to read it correctly without surrendering to my natural bias. but I'm seeing it here more than I usually see it. Lcp has a pretty similar energy wrt jUSt trYING and I've found him like pretty much fine but I'm townreading Korina more atm

lmk if this makes sense, I think we're seeing pretty similar behaviours in the hydra's iso just coming at it from different angles

*imagining the worst as a pretzel shaped duck*

COUGH

Now where were we...

Ok.

Yea, I can see that, i’ll Look into it when I have time.

One thing, what do you mean “timing between the push”?

It makes sense overall, if surface level slight cherrypicking(using this instead of opportunistic based of combination) is normal for korina/lcPl/Dr.J then I think they might be a bit towny?

As I said I’ll look into t more later, but if that’s their play style than They’re probably town

[Eragon]

Ok.

1. It’s late
2. My cats angry
3. I’m tired
5. Phonepostin sucks
4. Good night

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser feels like the most genuine atleast. The rest all have some scum equity.

Genuine belief: something is seriously wrong with the two lead wagons right now.

[Keyser Söze]

Hi Eragon
Strong entrance.
I’m happy you’ve joined us x

[the worst]

One thing, what do you mean “timing between the push”?

The flitting between dog with a bone and just poking and prodding which makes them look like a woofer

[Keyser Söze]

Well if TW is town, then maybe scum after sheeping his wrong reads.

I didn’t like how D1 right through to D4 was already planned out without at least a third of the playerlist not contributing. That stinks. Maybe just exuberant over-confidence from Ducky then.

Creature-Keyser-LabRat: Gamesolve? No judge. That is not.

[Irrelephant11]

I'm townreading too much of the playerlist... Hm.
Keyser what did that first sentence mean?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm townreading too much of the playerlist... Hm.
Keyser what did that first sentence mean?

"Well if TW is town, then maybe scum after sheeping his wrong reads."

TW doesn't have to be the agenda-driving scumlord. Scum will more likely be in his allies, hiding in his sails, completing his conquest for him.
Unfortunately that means I'm looking at you right now among others.
I now await Lefty's next move (or inevitable replace out) to complete the picture.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh I read it as "if TW is town, then he may be scum after sheeping his wrong reads" which obviously didn't make sense

No, I'm not scum.

[Irrelephant11]

in fact sheeping is town indicative for me, and you know this ???
eragon, come vote keyser with me

[Keyser Söze]

Spoiler: fluff for Irrelphant

Yeah, you're not actually voting/sheeping TW's target right now. You're just trying to kill a townie :/
Out of 9 players with 3 scum in it, I am your #1 scum lord trying to send innocent animals to hell?

No I don't buy you think that. Unfortunately you're caught in the web. I am thus forced to look at you to try find out if you're an innocent bystander or pulling the strings.

1 At worst I am a townie who has de-railed/slowed down two wagons on two legitimate obvious scum, and will pay the consequences.
2 At best I am a townie trying to reshake the stubborn mindscape of the majority and trying to stop the planned misslynches.

(Currently I believe in 2. If it's 1, it's another learning lesson for me for being to paranoid)

My only allie this game is Creature , who I helped to put to L-1 who actually thinks I'm "genuine".


I will promise to stop talking about me now, as this does nothing to help me achieve my win-con, only to protect my image with a disclaimer

Tell me why Volxen is in the 75%-99% town criteria right now?
I admittedly witnessed a technical "improvement", but I am hesitant to invest

serious

town coin in that slot right now.
Please convince me there.

[Keyser Söze]

@ManateeDude

Replacement for Lefty + 24 hour extension please xx

[Irrelephant11]

Okay

To start, volxen and I just finished a newbie game together tvt.
One of the biggest differences I saw in his play in the newbie vs in Watchmen Wanted was in how he formed reads. In WW his reads were something like "This player is pushing someone I think is town, therefore scum" and "lurking is scummy". That's about as deep as he ever got (read: so shallow they're not even in the water, even as he wrote walls to say it all)
In the newbie, his reads were "This player's suggestions help a pro-scum agenda, therefore scum" and "This player's play would be extremely risky and likely to fail if scum, therefore town". The first of the two reads I'm describing here (scumread on varsoon) was wrong, but he
a) clearly believed it
2) was considering other players' motivations in both cases, which showed much deeper thinking about "why" someone's play is scummy, rather than leaning on caricatures of scummy play to make other players more mislynchable.

From his 307 - "I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town."
This paragraph alone is halfway to townclearing for volxen imo. It reminds me of his push on Varsoon - probably wrong (if I'm right about labrat), but he believes it and is taking into account more than surface-level scum traits. He's really trying to find another player's motivations.

I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned

the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere

How do you read him?

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: eragon

[Keyser Söze]

Odds of the entire famous 5 WW squad being all-town? Not good

[Keyser Söze]

Cheers for your post mate, will read it Over dinner x

[the worst]

I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned

the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere

Strongly agree with this post and strongly agree with the quoted as well. I was half tempted to push him as scum to see how he reacted (we TvT'd in my first IC game genuinely and by the end of it volxy in particular was v v obvtown) but given the depth of nuance in his reads I don't think I need to

I actually think they're indicative of the trajectory of his improving towngame more so than where I'd expect to see his scumgame improve (i.e. I strongly agree that he believes what he's saying) and would be pretty surprised if he has improved this markedly and in such a surprisingly specific way as scum

He might be my strongest townread following your read here. :0

[the worst]

I'm at a bit of an impasse. I wanna pressure Eragon bc it's hard to split his reads from lip service to solving but like also... that's probably not going to do anything...

[the worst]

also I still don't townread Keyser but I think my rage is turning back into endearment and I don't want to lynch him today at all :c

[Irrelephant11]

Odds of the entire famous 5 WW squad being all-town? Not good

we should be so lucky

[the worst]

akshully Era's Creature read is pretty shocking but it doesn't feel as wolfy as I wish it did

Rel rel rel rel what's his theatre game like?

[Irrelephant11]

ewo, ewo, idk what that question means!