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[Nako]

Don't you think it's weird how quickly that wagon formed?

Some wagons form quickly, some don't.

[Mewtaph]

What is your most compelling argument that DDL is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I could gladiate the votes off of DDL for the rest of the day, I would. Let's not lynch town today. If you couldn't vote for DDL, who would you vote for?

You.

@skitter

if I sent you the the unexpiring gifs, would you change it with the gifs that expired? Because I think my reactions could be AI just in case and it is unfair to people that did not see it?

What?

[Nako]

I'm talking about gifs that expired, it can break the game because some people saw it and some did not. Maybe people will call the gifs AI, who knows.

[Mewtaph]

You know this day kinda sucks because I really don't want to be chasing some shiny coin that isn't actually scum but at the same time I need the people I think are scum to post.

[Mewtaph]

And a lot of people just reset their prod timer with that DDL development. So this is actually going to be a thing for a while. Sigh.

[Gamma Emerald]

That is crazy but I don’t think its 100% wrong

[Nako]

Like I'm always partners with whoever you scumread, from one day of the week to the next.

It's almost like we're going to lose this game at lylo because you can't seem to lynch me first and all the associative tells from my slot are actually a reason to scumread other players. HINT: They aren't.

Newsflash, you're probably going to push on me at lylo or scum will use your read on my slot from D1 to push an ML on me and you will be approving it from the dead thread because you're that conf biased.

Nah, I think you can be only partners with DDl and Kokichi. Maybe OkaPoka or Almost50 those would be very weird.

It can't be A50 actually, he voted you because he thinks you are ascetic wolf.

[ofrhz]

relevant ones in order of towniness:

nako
kokichi
dva

a50 im not sure anymore

Why is kokichi so high

[DrDolittle]

first i didn't say im extremely invested in teh game. second you should look at the content in addition to the count...

Yes. And what content are you posting lately, and when I start posting content you start to backtrack?

This is another misrep. I was V/LA for the last couple of days since I was sick. Instead, what type of content have you been posting?

[DrDolittle]

im not voting them for any reason you are.

yeah so what are your reasons? calling you out for noncontent? and scooting by yesterday via a mason claim?

[DrDolittle]

by the wagon development speed, probably two scum there in Koki and Oka?

[ofrhz]

Mew, what's your read on DDL?

This is an odd question to ask me if you're trying to sort me directly so

I guess you just want me to lock in my DDL read?

I guess I can be more specific with my question. I asked because you were scumreading OkaPoka and DVa for "baiting out information"

But DDL later also asked you to claim ascetic/non-ascetic during his catchup and thought it was suspicious that you were taking so long to claim, and you didn't seem to react to that.

I also thought DDL's read on you was lazy. He had you as unsorted at the end of D1, and then later in D2, townread you based on "tone," which is actually really odd because I don't think DDL is a tonereader. He basically soft defended you to further his case on OkaPoka.

Regarding the bolded: what

I think DDL is a bad lynch simply because I think people's reasons for scumreading him aren't really indicative of him being scum. In terms of his general tone and responses to things, I think it's more likely to come from town. Now some people might just push the lynch on DDL through anyway because he's been wagoned before and so it's easier to get that lynch through and town are lazy and want to do scum's job for them (make mislynches out of misinterpreting townie behaviour), but I wouldn't be overtly shocked if DDL flipped town. Like a lot of his reasonings feel similar to mine and I'm not concerned about that being an attempt to match up with mine, I think that they are just his thoughts.

Spoiler:

Here are a couple posts looking back on his ISO that I liked.

Seph is a strong TR because he is actually providing some content and even a full read list already. I wanted to poke him in the nose for the messed up vote, but then felt other players won't understand and might think it a distraction, so I held myself back.

Ok so I'm pretty sure A50 is town. You don't pull blatantly crappy reads like this from scum

this is not a reason btw

I say I strong TR him for this and you tell me it's not a reason? I've just finished playing a game with the dude. I mean, he himself admits to being good at scum, but I have seen nothing to make me feel he's being deceptive at any rate so far in here.

1 not doing anything deceptive != your strongest town read.
2 unless you think seph-scum is blatant on not providing content early game, your strongest town read is also unjustified. + that would make him a shitty scum player.

these two games are close in time enough such that it shouldn't be drastically different in terms of time.

perusing the posts, it seems that tchill in the town
"in a general since a lynch day 1 has the most likelihood of hitting town. I'd be willing to bet town usually talk themselves out of lynching scum more than they talk themselves into lynching scum day 1. I usually have no preference unless i feel comfortable with my ability to read certain players or unless somehow someone lands in my "will always be suspicious of" list day 1. "
"Typical day 1. Nobody wants to lynch anybody lol. If we wagon every single player then honestly there's no reason to wagon anyone at all. Feel free to do so though."
"Will lynch today: literally anyone not in the above list." (list of 5 players)
"Please let us just lynch somebody. "

town tchill has one-hit wonders like
"every townie is expendable until from my own perspective have a reason to not vote them. "
"pg 20 should be the d1 limit."
"Scum is in a great spot. Thread is bogged down. We don't want to deal with low activity players. We can't decide on a lynch. This is why day 1 lynches don't matter."

god i hate meta dives. But here's my read. Scum tchill is less abrasive about hating day 1 then town tchill. But otherwise, not likin day 1 is not very alignment indicative.

Reads more like he's trying to figure out the game and sorting what strikes him as odd or otherwise important to the game state. His posts aren't overly flashy which makes me more confident that they are just going to flip town rather than scum.

Like the people that did the wagoning on tchill13 or did all the D1 active posting or whatever are just being lazy on trying to sort each other so my best guess is that we're going to land on DDL today because whoever the town is in that group can't be bothered to lift a finger so the rest of us get left in the cold.

About the post in the spoiler, I thought the first post was pretty good.

Second post read more like busywork - the point of contention at the time wasn't whether or not Tchill hates D1; I think everyone agreed that Tchill hates D1 as town. The discussion was around whether or not this level of (lack of) content was within his townrange.

[ofrhz]

tell me why would town fake-claim mason?

my read on you before was lean-scum, but willing to defer to joey for read.

This doesn't really answer why but town has fakeclaimed mason before

Also joey is no longer in the game. You get me instead ;_;

[DrDolittle]

But DDL later also asked you to claim ascetic/non-ascetic during his catchup and thought it was suspicious that you were taking so long to claim, and you didn't seem to react to that.

I also thought DDL's read on you was lazy. He had you as unsorted at the end of D1, and then later in D2, townread you based on "tone," which is actually really odd because I don't think DDL is a tonereader. He basically soft defended you to further his case on OkaPoka.

1 - if you read, my catchup post was a big lagged, and mew claimed non-ascetic like 2 posts ago I think
2 - yeah, i typically don't tone read, but if you go to the interaction with Oka, you can see that its genuine, and like an active progression of thoughts... i don't know how to explain ... but its town. (e.g. 1677 and 1681 reproduced here)

"WIFOM argument isn't good. Your play D1 was bad and fake af with tchill lol. You enter today with a hypoclaim opening in a closed setup with a "sheep" vote on Seph - now you are pointing out hypocrisy in RL events when there is none."

"Your play when I replaced in D1 from what I saw was you literally just coasting on town cred and then you suddenly having random pings of paranoia on tchill while also denying any chance of a serious counterwagon because votes on A50 were going to become "vanity wagons". So here's my thought: I don't understand how do you have paranoia pings about someone when literally all they said about you is they like the way you play and they are posting like much less than any other player? How can you feel threatened by being pocketed through that?"

ps ofrhz is town

[DrDolittle]

This doesn't really answer why but town has fakeclaimed mason before

Also joey is no longer in the game. You get me instead ;_;

My scumread comes from the reason to fakeclaim mason - Koki did nothing but shitpost day 1, and fakeclaimed to get out of lynch. It feels like a scum-gambit play, worst case: self is lynched, but he's going to be lynched anyways, but the reward is super high, and likelihood of going through is high too since joey pretty much as said it.

yeah I know - that's why I'm scum-reading koki again - since my townread do

[DrDolittle]

... since my townread of joey who promised to sort koki is no longer here, I have to sort him myself.

[Kokichi Oma]

Joey clearly said he townreads me. So, now that he's gone you're using that to push my mislynch

[OkaPoka]

kokichi town because joey my top townread and by association i think kokichi is town.

i don't see scum making a mason gambit at l1. maybe a cop claim or doc claim.

i was pushing for PP for a couple days Mew. but its a lot of work and effort to try and lead a wagon on someone while fighting bs. After a certain point of fighting with people, pushing a wagon that gets little reception, and having the premise of the way you view the game be broken, then maybe I'm just insane.

anyways ddl never answered my question about people not being serious about lynching PP.

[DrDolittle]

@Oka

wait can someone give me a tldr on why PP is scum other than too many gifs. I waded through pages and pages and realized I never got a case.

wait can someone give me a tldr on why PP is scum other than too many gifs. I waded through pages and pages and realized I never got a case.

I believe the arguments include
"PP doesn't explain himself as town" i.e. this is not his town meta -- Kokichi
"PP is misrepresenting Tchill's meta" i.e. he might have been trying to buddy Tchill -- DVa
"PP is lolcatting as caught scum" i.e. he reacted poorly to the push by me and Kokichi -- Gamma-chan
"The day is too long" i.e. it was the leading wagon -- Tyrion
"PP is not me" i.e. he doesn't want to be the leading wagon anymore -- BEF

I think that summarizes everyone's reason for being on the wagon rn

These last two reasons can literally move to any other wagon. So you are telling me PP only has 3 votes.

[DrDolittle]

Joey clearly said he townreads me. So, now that he's gone you're using that to push my mislynch

yes but I remember he also said that your alignment will be more clear and he can read you better as the days go on.

[OkaPoka]

a couple of things.
1) I'm giving a50 benefit of the doubt. there's no sense in even discussing lynching a claimed town investigative role that is not counterclaimed.
2) Oka:"We have PP wagon hit L1, then A50 gives intent to hammer to force out a claim (never follows through as ->" a50 never intended to vote. the hammer threat was empty. plus you should recall that only 2/3 of the votes on PP at that time were "serious votes". what you are pushing in your scenario is misleading.

narrative you are pushing here implies PP was never going to get lynched ? yet seems like to me that BEF and Tchill were perfectly ok with lynching PP and also A50 did not reveal his hammer threat was empty until sephiroth forced it out of him, thus PP was a perfectly easy and sellable lynch?

[DrDolittle]

what are you talking about? Are you dense on purpose? The wagon was clearly stalling, seph was going to unvote, a50's didn't plan to hammer, and tchill and bef were willing to switch to any other wagon. all these statements are true. whats your narrative?

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: oka this flips scum.

[DrDolittle]

he's not even trying to scum hunt at this point. he's literally pushing any wagon that's out there trying to do gotchas with abs garbage.