Mini Normal 2041 [Game Over]

[Almost50]

@Gamma: It was a typo. I meant JK + GS

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
So far I only see 2/3 PRs (this is without/with vigilante). Where’s the other 1/2?

[Almost50]

If DDL is really the jk who jailkept A50, then I'm confused why neither this slot nor Kokichi were killed last night, since this throws out the "mason was protected and BEF was vigged" theory.

I'm just not sure I believe DDL's claim atm

Yeah. It really is confusing. If DDL is for real then Koki must be scum. That's the ONLY explanation I can think of for the Mafia to not shoot your slot.

[OkaPoka]

I think A50 is pretty much confirmed GS at this point, barring a scenario of DDL + A50 scumteam which is unlikely and very gusty because double incriminating yourself as scum right now is way too risky.

The way I see the DDL slot is it will resolve itself pretty much in 1 ~ 2 days. Maybe he is lying, but I don't see much we can gain from flipping DDL right now because a town flip gets us nowhere, so we have to be extremely sure of scum DDL.

[OkaPoka]

@gamma, you are part of NRG right? What would a balanced setup look like to you ?

[Almost50]

Ok
So far I only see 2/3 PRs (this is without/with vigilante). Where’s the other 1/2?

Well, I dunno if I should, so I won't.

[Gamma Emerald]

So if PP is town scum probably were ambivalent on all the wagons. Idk who that would fit yet but I know there was a fiat amount of vote shifting from specific sets of people.
Can someone else look into this? I wanna do some other things rn but if it’s not done when I’m ready to do it I’ll work on it myself.

[Nako]

If DDL is really the jk who jailkept A50, then I'm confused why neither this slot nor Kokichi were killed last night, since this throws out the "mason was protected and BEF was vigged" theory.

I'm just not sure I believe DDL's claim atm

I believe their claim with 100% of my heart, I just think they are mafia jailkeeper
Also I like your avatar, I like that show very much xD

[OkaPoka]

Experienced close setup players, how often do we have GS + no town members with guns?

[Nako]

So if PP is town scum probably were ambivalent on all the wagons. Idk who that would fit yet but I know there was a fiat amount of vote shifting from specific sets of people.
Can someone else look into this? I wanna do some other things rn but if it’s not done when I’m ready to do it I’ll work on it myself.

DDl, kokichi and radja/mew happened to be wagons at d1 few times and they all protected each other.

[OkaPoka]

PP is due for a prod very soon. Hopefully he can brain dump for us for how he viewed the PP wagon and who he felt stood out during the whole thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma, you are part of NRG right? What would a balanced setup look like to you ?

Not NRG but I might be able to if I tried. I’ll assume A50 and DDL are claiming full GS and JK and aren’t fake claiming/scum. Now this is reflective of a certain type of setup, the “Cop+JK” archetype. This exists as an answer to Follow the Cop strats, as whole the JK can protect the Cop it’ll also stop results. Some instances are mini 1838, my first experience with that setup style, and mini 1861, a game I modded that was actually based on 1838.
Sometimes this is toyed with, like in Booneytoonz IV, where there was a loyal Cop rather than regular Cop, thus making the JK’s protection more antitown if they hit the cop. Of course because the cop is aware of this they can make a judgment call of whether their result is a true guilty. I can actually describe how this can go down in practice because I was the loyal Cop in that game. Night 1 I got a no result on creative who was scum, but I was also JKed that night. Because of my pre-disposition to think creative was Town, I assumed I was blocked. But developments changed my thinking and I dropped the hammer at the end of Day 2.
Now to this game. The Cop seems to be swapped with GS, which has a lot less certainty in its results. The only normal role that can deceive the cop is Miller, while a GS can get false guilties on cops and cop variants, vigilantes, and a few other roles I don’t have filed away. It can also get false clears on a mafia doctor or traitor, so Mafia Doctor is often used as a counter the same way a mafia ninja is used to counter a watcher. Traitor can be used this way but it’s less common. A lot of GS setups seem to be based on playing with their result reliability from some research I did on something. So either something exists to give it a false positive or false negative.
As for what else to expect, I think a weaker town PR would fill out the game if it is just 3 goons, but I’d there’s a mafia doctor a stronger PR would be balanced. Mafia traitor I can’t say because it’s so rare to see it used as a GS counter that I can’t give an estimate on whether the boon of the false clear or the blow of the lost strength of numbers would be more impactful.

[OkaPoka]

are mastina/implosion creative designers? as in:

what if we had a vig/jk/gs vs mafiadoctor/roleblocker(?) or maf goon/maf goon or something similar

gs has one false positive and one false negative. mafia doctor can protect its own from vig shot. maybe even throw a tracker/watcher on town in there for more wifom. lots of pr action, lots of roleblocking, lots of saving.

I don't know if that's possible/even a balanced setup but its "interesting" design.

[Almost50]

Experienced close setup players, how often do we have GS + no town members with guns?

Good question. It probably depends on who designed the setup though. Some mods like "Millers", and some don't.

If I was designing a game and am using a GS I'd probably be sure to include a Vig (10-13) or a Vig+Neapolitan/Vanilla Cop (14+)

[PenguinPower]

Hi. I don’t really play on weekends (saying this again).

To answer setup spec on this page, implosion/Mastina almost always include a town role that a gs will get a positive on.

Guess that’s more than a prodge.

More in the morning.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah mastina is pretty creative, in and out of normal games

[Gamma Emerald]

For implosion I don’t know much about his review meta but I can look around I guess

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 2.13

DrDolittle (3)

- DVa, Nako, Kokichi Oma

PenguinPower (3)

- Gamma Emerald, OkaPoka, Almost50

OkaPoka (2)

- Sephiroth, DrDolittle

Mewtaph (1)

- PenguinPower

Not Voting (2)

- ofrhz, Mewtaph

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-11-24 22:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[Mewtaph]

See, my non-ascetic claim makes the claim less believable. If one of DDL/DVa flips scum then the other has a very strong chance to. Do not ignore this.

[Gamma Emerald]

See, my non-ascetic claim makes the claim less believable. If one of DDL/DVa flips scum then the other has a very strong chance to. Do not ignore this.

Why???

[DVa]

VOTE: pp

Don't townread him. Since drd has a confirmed night action that's slightly more sortable although balance-wise there's no reason to assume he couldn't be scum jk. Idk feeling lost.

Pedit: I don't really get what you mean mew

[Mewtaph]

If scum doesn't know if I'm ascetic or not, then they can't make the roleblocked A50 claim because they don't actually know if I'm ascetic or not. Whereas if town roleblocked A50, they already know and don't need me to claim ascetic or not.

[Gamma Emerald]

If scum doesn't know if I'm ascetic or not, then they can't make the roleblocked A50 claim because they don't actually know if I'm ascetic or not. Whereas if town roleblocked A50, they already know and don't need me to claim ascetic or not.

Why can’t they do that in that case?

[Mewtaph]

They can't do it if they didn't roleblock/JK A50 themselves. The claim doesn't make sense for DDL to target A50 because on D1 to DDL he was a null slot.

[DVa]

So you think DrD is a scum roleblocker or jk?