micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

sorry. i don't feel really good about about playing mafia recently for reasons, but i'll try. cool that you've heard that though.

[probs a robot]

Hello NORTHSIDEGAL.

[northsidegal]

greetings.

tdw if you want us to work together on finishing this game before december then we need to come to terms on a few reads that you have that i just don't really agree with, mainly skitter and dva being part of your coalition.

[northsidegal]

UNVOTE:
HEAL: DVa

I am a clumsy robot.

what is this progression?

[northsidegal]

er, the second quote didn't appear, but was voting dva a mistake when you meant to heal her, or...? from what you said before it seemed like you were having trouble reading her. did something clear up for you?

[DVa]

Would talking with me help NSG?

pedit: he swapped after skitter asked why he was voting with her for some reason, idk

[northsidegal]

probably not. i've read in the past a scumthread where the advice given to pocket me was to just talk reads with me, so if anything i tend to avoid townreading people off of that kind of real time interaction.

maybe you could describe why you're playing your towngame this game over your scumgame?

[northsidegal]

because from what i've read you seem like you sort of start games swinging when it comes to reads, so even if you say that you were spending a lot of time in witches' ball, to see what looks to me like you being a bit more passive in terms of coming up with reads this game sort of points towards you being scum.

[northsidegal]

what do you think of not_mafia / tesxx?

[skitter30]

@nsg can you talk to me about why you're scumreading me?

[DVa]

Tricky question, but while I did have one good win as scum in newbie queue, I feel like people give me a bit too much credit for that. I replaced into a townread slot with a townread partner and still managed to make the win harder than it needed to be probably. I feel like it's really hard for me to be 'chatty' as scum, unless I'm talking to my partner. I tend to want to over-think posts most of the time and have a hard time being natural. I think my natural posting style pings some people. But it is hard to be objective with a self-meta.

Why would you say this is your town game rather than your scum game?
pedit: will respond to those in a second

[DVa]

what do you think of not_mafia / tesxx?

I didn't really get why people were giving Tes Heals, his posts didn't seem townie to me, and Not_Mafia hasn't done anything to change that so far. I'm also trying not to be biased toward N_M considering we just finished a game where I spent half the game incorrectly scumreading him, but unless he actually does anything pro-town to show his thought process I don't see why anyone would heal him tbh

[northsidegal]

@nsg can you talk to me about why you're scumreading me?

i guess i'm just "not townreading you" and towards the start of the game i felt like you were playing differently than you were in the previous coalition game and given that i haven't seen anything that really said "huh, this must be town!skitter here" i'm sort of inclined to just follow my initial instinct rather than just resetting given time arbitrarily

not much of a specific answer i suppose, which i guess might not be very helpful. i will say that it seems like we have very similar reads, but that's true of a lot of people and it makes me wary to townread someone (or at least, multiple people) just based off of that.

basically, the most likely way that i envision the coalition failing this game is through agreeing with someone entirely on reads while that person is scum. given that, i really want to have a maximum of one person like that in my coalition, and for me it seems right now like that's realistically only going to be TDW or robot.

[northsidegal]

Why would you say this is your town game rather than your scum game?

i had just started thinking about that after asking you, actually! i'm not sure how much i can actually say this game is

really

distinct, but i think i've probably displayed a lot more depth of thought than in any scumgame i've played before, where i was probably mostly just making things up and espousing random theories. i can say that if i had rolled scum this game, as a strategy i probably would've gone for a lot more mindless posting and chatting just to try to inflate my postcount and get townread just through presence in the thread rather than through having good thoughts

[DVa]

because from what i've read you seem like you sort of start games swinging when it comes to reads, so even if you say that you were spending a lot of time in witches' ball, to see what looks to me like you being a bit more passive in terms of coming up with reads this game sort of points towards you being scum.

Well, in Witches Ball I really needed *a partner* because I trusted myself to play well at the end of the dance. My worst fear as an alt among a bunch of regulars who play with each other a lot was getting tossed in pre-dance. That ended up not being the way things went but I was unusually aggressive with reads there.

Also, I am coming off Mini Normal 2040, where while I was aggressive with reads, I was *very wrong* on day 1 with two key reads. So I am actually trying to think through my reads for players I'm unfamiliar with a bit more and also trying to figure out how to deal with players who can play around me. Like I had two games end, both of which kinda made me second guess certain parts of my playstyle, so I guess maybe I am struggling to think of how to improve my play.

[skitter30]

i guess i'm just "not townreading you" and towards the start of the game i felt like you were playing differently than you were in the previous coalition game and given that i haven't seen anything that really said "huh, this must be town!skitter here" i'm sort of inclined to just follow my initial instinct rather than just resetting given time arbitrarily

idk

i can understand why people don't think i've been townie

but it's mildly frustrating to have people say they're scumreading me not because they actually think i'm scummy but because they're not townreading me; i'm not entirely sure what i can do to change that, especially in a gamestate where about half the game isn't posting

[skitter30]

I feel like it's really hard for me to be 'chatty' as scum

, unless I'm talking to my partner. I tend to want to over-think posts most of the time and have a hard time being natural.

^^^ i kinda think that this is what you've been doing this game

[DVa]

i had just started thinking about that after asking you, actually! i'm not sure how much i can actually say this game is really distinct, but i think i've probably displayed a lot more depth of thought than in any scumgame i've played before, where i was probably mostly just making things up and espousing random theories. i can say that if i had rolled scum this game, as a strategy i probably would've gone for a lot more mindless posting and chatting just to try to inflate my postcount and get townread just through presence in the thread rather than through having good thoughts

well I guess I understand why you're skeptical of me if you think my chattiness is how you'd play scum. but I mean, I don't know what to do then. I do want you in my coalition

[probs a robot]

UNVOTE:
HEAL: DVa

I am a clumsy robot.

what is this progression?

er, the second quote didn't appear, but was voting dva a mistake when you meant to heal her, or...? from what you said before it seemed like you were having trouble reading her. did something clear up for you?

I did intend to heal her, and not vote her.

It seems that there's a chance her willingness to continually get involved and try to solve the game is town indicative. I could still see her as either alignment, but leaping in and trying seems to come from town slightly more than scum.

The gamestate is also frozen solid. It requires stimulation, even if it is a bit of a guess.

[Gamma Emerald]

85: How is that being chummy?
87: Okay I went along with earlier, but why ask that at that point?

Are you sure you meant 87 here btw Gamma? Cause I don't get your question on that

24 seemed a bit chummy cause he was healing 5 people for kinda jokey reasons

I meant 87
I don’t really see how I was towny enough for that there, unless that’s not what that thing meant.

[DVa]

^^^ i kinda think that this is what you've been doing this game

not sure I follow, so nsg doesn't townread me because I'm too chatty, and you don't townread me because I'm not chatty enough?

[DVa]

I meant 87
I don’t really see how I was towny enough for that there, unless that’s not what that thing meant.

87 is my first impression of NSG's readslist? You sure you don't mean 84 where I ask you to dance?

[skitter30]

^^^ i kinda think that this is what you've been doing this game

not sure I follow, so nsg doesn't townread me because I'm too chatty, and you don't townread me because I'm not chatty enough?

your posts here lack ... idk the right word - spirit? motivation? interest?
they feel like you're going through the motions, like you're posting here because you have to

they dont' feel like you enjoy posting itg
i don't think you're really chatting
i don't think you really feel natural

[northsidegal]

@northsidegal I have heard that your favorite month is december. I would be interested in finishing this game before that month and you showing up to thread and helping to conclude this game would help with that.

reflecting on it a bit more, i think this post makes TDW town.

[skitter30]

Btw robot are you Titus? She’s like the only person I see posting as much as you have

also i'm pretty sure robot isn't in a north-american timezone