micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn’t realize it was about that because I didn’t see any significant markers to suggest so
So you’re telling me because you thought DVa had a >rand chance of being scum that was enough to decide that?

[The Dark Wanderer]

DVa I don't like the fact that you haven't engaged with any of the conversation but responded when you were hurt.

I thought that it was awkward enough of an opener, and felt more likely to be scum awkward, to propel her from 25% chance of being scum to 40% chance of being scum.

[probs a robot]

It's probably more fair to compare that to the linked towngame. She usually sits closer to the middle than those two games, but generally leans town regardless. The strengths which she exhibits as town (including gamesolving momentum, performing well within real time interactions, an ability to remain holistically 'across' the game) are weaker here; her strengths as scum (presenting niche gamestate reads, constructing questions which present as nuanced without necessarily advancing the gamestate, etc.) are prominent.

This is not a smoking gun. As I'm typing this, I am recalling another game which entered my database. I just believe I have a certain level of ability with respect to reading her despite (and in conjunction with) her very high calibre of play. And I cannot strongly townread her in good conscious yet. She is just null/nullscum largely via possessing too many townreads.

Can't really link the latter game I'm talking about without straight up obviously revealing what my main is (hopefully I haven't derped too hard today, but I have not been in a mood for the gimmick). I just want to ask you to reconsider your read at the next level, if you would be willing.

Apologies for the cockiness projected in this post. I understand humans use this as a method of appearing confident, and to be taken seriously. I may be entirely on the wrong track.

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh I am still mildly dissatisfied but it’s not pinging me so I’ll just wipe it and leave it at null
Now the only outstanding query is the question I can’t remember

[Gamma Emerald]

I remember what I wanted to say about 87!
I agree with the sentiment there kinda, but I think it’s a good thing to look at with flips later critically too.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Page 5-8 numbers

Key: Name(# of total posts): # of 2/1 townpoint posts, # of null(query)point posts, # of 2/1 scumpoint posts; final score expressed as townpoints minus scumpoints. Note null and query points are counted exclusively, so a person with 2 null points and one query point would show 2(1) in the null(query)point section.
DVa(23): 0/3, 16(4), 0/0; 3
NM*(2): 0/0, 2(0), 0/0; 0
Yuriko(5): 0/0, 3(1), 0/1; -1
skitter(3): 1/0, 1(1), 0/0; 2
robot(41): 1/4, 31(3), 1/1; 3
TDW(6): 0/1, 2(2), 0/1; 0
NSG(10): 0/3, 4(3), 0/0; 3
Raya(5): 0/0, 4(1), 0/0; 0
*replacements are listed as the current holder of the slot

Spoiler: Totals

DVa(33): 0/4, 25(4), 0/0; 4
NM(11): 0/1, 9(0), 1/0; -1
Yuriko (12): 1/2, 7(1), 0/1; 3
Skitter(15): 2/4, 4(1), 0/4; 4
robot(56): 1/4, 43(3), 2/3; -1
TDW(18): 2/3, 9(2), 0/2; 6
NSG(25): 0/9, 11(4), 0/1; 8
Raya(7): 0/1, 5(1), 0/0; 1

Query points:
105: another early readlist to look at later. This is the last one I’ll note this for.
136: Voting is a good source of pressure though? Honestly thinking on this it feels kinda shady as scum don’t need to sort and as such the vote is just one more towards a lynch for them.
137: I was asked what I thought about Yuriko, here goes. Pages 1-4 I saw plenty of town equity in her posting. These pages I was unimpressed across the board with Yuriko’s posts, and they felt like busywork to the point of being worth a scumpoint. So everything there reads null individually but that whole series of posts is worth one scumpoint (I do this with other series of similar posting but here it was something I felt needed noting as it was the only thing I got on Yuriko for the section.
138: She just realized who Musicjax was though? That would leave someone confused as to how to handle a slot, finding out it was someone you didn’t think it was. Happened to me in Witches Ball when shortaru ended up being House.
141: Um no. Part of my problem with Musicjax WAS the spamminess. So you’re analysis looks wrong.
148: Why do YOU find it difficult to elaborate on DVa?
154: What do you disagree with exactly? Direct me to the answer if you answered this already.
158: I 100% agree what MME did was a partner tell. What I am lost on is how this is similar?
165: What was Poot about DVa’s RVS performance?
Also, relevant monologue to the post and my current play: I actually struggle with following up on questions, which was used against me by scum in Open 714, which NSG was in. This is actually the best performance I’ve had so far in that department ever, and I didn’t even plan it this way.
167: Why is that question a glitch? What did you mean to ask?
168: Why unvote Tes at that point?
183: I was going to ask about what experience DVa had with scum!me here but that’s already been answered.
185: Well then why did you townread NSG? And what makes you disagree with robot’s reasoning there?
197: This is another playstyle quirk I’ve been trying to iron out, but I feel like commenting in the moment like that helps display my natural thought processes.
199: Seriously? Nothing robot has done? Not even scum indicative?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I disagree with the commonly held concept of the winning coalition. The coalition is finalized when 5 people have the exact same one. So acting like you’ll never have to compromise is rather foolhardy. The entire point of the setup is to encourage Town cooperation right?

[probs a robot]

167: Why is that question a glitch? What did you mean to ask?

I did want to discuss how to read you. My RAM failed to inform my immediate consciousness that NSG had already recently spoken about you, so my question was very low value to her slot in particular.

I have spoken about my problems getting a firm read on your slot. I also feel that I have spoken at some length about DVa after the point you are up to, and so will not be commenting further there unless you have particular points you would like to address.

Questions aside, what is your metric for assigning "points" to posts?

[probs a robot]

Computer user GAMMA EMERALD - what is your preferred alignment to play?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you for addressing my questions quickly. I see about the glitches question and the DVa read, I’ll be waiting for when I do come across that DVa read.
As for the system, I look at a post, determine whether it feels scummy or towny and how much, then I give a point value. Having 2 levels of read strength isn’t foreign to me as I encounter that when sorting using less thorough methods. This just helps me follow the overall math of how I’m feeling by turning reads into hard numbers. Unfortunately some nuance is lost in this method, but I’m willing to explain what I find towny or scummy about someone.
As for preferred alignment, Town generally but a good scumteam can help me get out of my shell as scum.

[DVa]

Well then why did you townread NSG? And what makes you disagree with robot’s reasoning there?

I believe robot argued that "posts with a finely veiled agenda are town indicative" and I didn't exactly see why that would be town indicative or how NSG's post reflected that. But I did like NSG's self-meta in that post, I think honest-sounding self-meta comes much more often from town than from scum.

[DVa]

Were you still going to do a read list or are you going through the next ~200 posts with questions before that?

[skitter30]

yeah let's talk about this tomorrow where i pull about a bajillion posts from your iso starting from when you repped in and show that you've done this systematically

g'night!

here we go, all bajillion posts:

Spoiler:

i see little purpose in voting people when i intend to win this game off of the coalition without needing to lynch anyone.
i have made my skitter30 read clear as the game has gone on. i don't have a smoking gun to point to with dva except that she feels like a wolf.
the biggest posts that give me that read with dva are the ones that are first and last in her current iso.
i think that you should be able to find what you are looking for regarding skitter30 in posts that i have already made.

Agree to disagree. I find your reasoning lazy and premature.

calling someone's reasoning for townreading me lazy and premature

Why unvote skitter?

asking why i've been unvoted

Something is unsettling about skitter's posting so far, but I do not feel that your questioning of her is conducive to her providing sortable content.

I am not sure if this feeling of discomfort is consistent with watching two members of the mafia interact with one another.
However, I can't currently townread either skitter, or DVa

Thank you for your compliments skitter, though I'm not sure which gimmick you are referring to. Is it when I use smiley faces, as though I were a human? Beep boop. I thought that was funny too.

calling an interaction with someone else svs

My previous conclusion is strengthened by 17% due to you voting her immediately after I called out possible scum/scum interactions.
Having said that, I think you are town before skitter is. If I am wrong on one of you.

I do strongly suspect that Tes is town, unless he is scum with skitter.
In reality, I do not believe he has produced enough to be adequately read as either alignment in isolation. Skitter's read on him, however, does sound informed. Whether via meta or in-game alignment remains to be properly proven. But I know which way I feel.

it's kinda hard for me to be scum with both tes and dva, y'know. your read on tess here is bad and based on a pre-flip with me, but you're not scumreading me

Skitter's initial posting had roused something in my scumdar module as well. I liked this for an opening vote (more than I liked most of the opening votes here).

why?
this might be vizzy's scumgame actually
i don't claim to be super great at reading him or anything but as town he tries to contribute and like ... be helpful even while he shitposts and i've not really gotten that vibe from like any of his posts thus far

While we are on the subject.
Why did you bite the lynch bait here, skitter?

shade, which i pointed out as being unfair - sometimes lynchbait is actually scum and like given my history with him he was more in his scum-meta imo; that's not 'biting lynch bait'

With respect to your coalition: I do not trust skitter, and I am hesitant to include TDW in any coalition.
Though I do like your reasoning for town-reading both, enough to think that you are likely town. I just believe we are approaching this puzzle in different ways!

northsidegal
The Dark Wanderer
Raya36
probs a robot
TesXX
YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa
skitter30

Skitter, I need to re-evaluate but I do not think I can heal her in good conscience. She is simply not towny.

not sure what i'm doing on the bottom of this readlist still for being 'not towny'

I believe my radars detected a possible SvS interaction with skitter earlier in the game. I shall review security footage and report back.

oh look, another day1 pre-flip svs interaction with someone you're not actually scumreading

I am hesitant to trust either skitter30, or TesXX

the funny thing is that you've repeatedly said you're not like actually scumreading me but you're consistently indicating that i should've be townread or questioning townreads on me or asking people why they're not voting me and i'm on the bottom of your readslist

you're interacting with me like i'm a scumread without actually calling me one and i think it's a little disingenuous because you can't actually describe why i'm scummy beyond saying my posting is 'unsettling'. being vague like that i can't really talk to you about because what am i supposed to do with vague gut-feeligns that are never substantiated

but whenever someone says they're townreading me you try to talk them out of it.

[skitter30]

I should mention that the skitter30 comparison made me very happy.

It should
She's unironically/ooc one of my absolute favourite mafia players.

[skitter30]

I read through one of her old wolf games to get a better grasp of her as a player but besides that, no. As far as I'm aware she's never joined a game on MU.

no, i haven't, although i think i may have made an account? i don't remember

[skitter30]

It's probably more fair to compare that to the linked towngame. She usually sits closer to the middle than those two games, but generally leans town regardless. The strengths which she exhibits as town (including gamesolving momentum, performing well within real time interactions, an ability to remain holistically 'across' the game) are weaker here; her strengths as scum (presenting niche gamestate reads, constructing questions which present as nuanced without necessarily advancing the gamestate, etc.) are prominent.

This is not a smoking gun. As I'm typing this, I am recalling another game which entered my database. I just believe I have a certain level of ability with respect to reading her despite (and in conjunction with) her very high calibre of play. And I cannot strongly townread her in good conscious yet. She is just null/nullscum largely via possessing too many townreads.

Can't really link the latter game I'm talking about without straight up obviously revealing what my main is (hopefully I haven't derped too hard today, but I have not been in a mood for the gimmick). I just want to ask you to reconsider your read at the next level, if you would be willing.

Apologies for the cockiness projected in this post. I understand humans use this as a method of appearing confident, and to be taken seriously. I may be entirely on the wrong track.

a) why are you using the last coalition as an example of my towngame when we've established multiple times that i don't think i was out of my scumrange there?

b) it's really, really hard to maintain 'gamesolving momentum' when like the whole game is lurking; i can't play the game by myself y'know; like i said earlier a lot of my questions had the aim of trying to get people to just post

c) i think i'm pretty much out of my scumrange wrt real-time interactions tbh

d) ok i'm really interested in hearing why all of {tess/raya/gamma/dva/yuriko} are higher townreads than me

e) the game with mylo that i hated maybe?

f) yeah your usual writing style kinda shone through a bit more yesterday

[skitter30]

199: Seriously? Nothing robot has done? Not even scum indicative?

no, i don't think i t was much ai

also it would be kinda easier ot respond to these if you put the name of the poster besides the post number so htat i don't have to check each post

[Gamma Emerald]

199: Seriously? Nothing robot has done? Not even scum indicative?

no, i don't think i t was much ai

also it would be kinda easier ot respond to these if you put the name of the poster besides the post number so htat i don't have to check each post

I was thinking of that this time with the amount of questions I had
I’ll be sure to implement that

[northsidegal]

[YurikoJasmine]

checking in. re-reading (on page 18 right now so a long way to go... gosh you guys really like talking on weekends)

[northsidegal]

well, a lot of the conversation happened yesterday, really.

[northsidegal]

meh. i suppose i'm townreading skitter more than yuriko now.

TDW, i think it's a mistake for you to not be townreading raya. yeah she isn't really around now but i think she was pretty obvious town while she was here - i think scum!raya is pretty distinct, especially in her activity and in that regard i feel like she was town

[northsidegal]

{nsg}
{raya, tdw}
{skitter}
{robot, tesXX, yuriko}
{GE} <- i don't really entirely know what to think of gamma but i feel like placing him here because -shrug-
{DVa}

[northsidegal]

probably doesn't actually mean much but i actually think NM's play so far has been scum indicative

so i guess if i were to make that list again i'd put the tesXX slot one spot further down

[northsidegal]

TDW is the most-widely healed player (at least, going off of the most recent votecount), but it really doesn't feel that way. does anyone else get that feeling? i'm not sure how well i could describe it.

literally no active slot in the game besides me did not have him in their coalition (again, going off of the last votecount).

i mean, i don't really have any conclusion here, but this is still something i feel is worth bringing up anyways.