micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Not_Mafia]

Who wants to be in my broalition?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for being inactive, I have no real excuse but I promise I’m ready to start doing more.

Well then why did you townread NSG? And what makes you disagree with robot’s reasoning there?

I believe robot argued that "posts with a finely veiled agenda are town indicative" and I didn't exactly see why that would be town indicative or how NSG's post reflected that. But I did like NSG's self-meta in that post, I think honest-sounding self-meta comes much more often from town than from scum.

So I didn’t feel much from this response but I actually like the thought process, so it earns a townpoint for the original post. FYI this shouldn’t cause any accidental double points because I intend to have a cut-off, probably at the point where I decided to do this exercise.

Were you still going to do a read list or are you going through the next ~200 posts with questions before that?

I’ll do read explanations later but you can see my read list with the numbers I post. In the Totals spoiler, the last number is my current read, where positive numbers are Town and negative numbers are scum, and greater numbers are greater read strength.

[DVa]

Who wants to be in my broalition?

*crickets*

[DVa]

I’ll do read explanations later but you can see my read list with the numbers I post. In

So right now your winning coalition looks something like: Gamma + Robot + DVa + NSG + {one out of TDW/Skitter}?

[skitter30]

Who wants to be in my broalition?

VOTE: not mafia

(third vote btw)

skitter30: skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Raya36

i feel pretty good about this list; maybe the least good about raya
but i feel better about raya than like everyone else so yeah

and that read won't be changing till she gets replaced anyways

idk who the fifth should be

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll do read explanations later but you can see my read list with the numbers I post. In

So right now your winning coalition looks something like: Gamma + Robot + DVa + NSG + {one out of TDW/Skitter}?

robot isn’t in rn, TDW is in, and you yuriko and skitter are vying for the last 2

[DVa]

Ah, I needed to read your key more carefully.
So NSG: 8, TDW: 6, DVa: 4, Skitter: 4, Yuriko: 3 are the final values that matter.

Do you think NSG or TDW will adjust to have you in their coalition? Do you think they should?

[Gamma Emerald]

NSG possibly, TDW idk
I’m fine adjusting mine to leave myself out as long as no one I object to is in it

[Gamma Emerald]

TDW I have some questions directed at you again, don’t appreciate you skipping them again
Page 31 is where you’ll find my questions, they’re earlier in the list of questions, there’s 2 of them.

[DVa]

You know I know you did this as town in Witches Ball but it kinda baffles me why you're so okay with being out of coalitions when you know you're town lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I am willing to bend to others’ demands/wishes if needed. Honestly if we were playing the way we were on the last game and some people very familiar with my play were here (the only people who match that here are nsg and skitter kinda) I’d be adamant about being in it. But neither of those things are true.

[DVa]

Happy Thanksgiving coalition fam

[probs a robot]

a) why are you using the last coalition as an example of my towngame when we've established multiple times that i don't think i was out of my scumrange there?

My sources suggest that you exhibited towntells during the previous Coalition which you yourself are not aware of. (As a matter of interest, I think I've actually mentioned this in passing before--this actually feels a little gross and if enough people want I'll main reveal/rep in )

It is actually my belief that the previous coalition exhibited your towngame more strongly than this running does. Do you believe yourself to be more towny this time?

b) it's really, really hard to maintain 'gamesolving momentum' when like the whole game is lurking; i can't play the game by myself y'know; like i said earlier a lot of my questions had the aim of trying to get people to just post

I feel this on a lot of levels but also it doesn't make it easy to sort you, especially since i'm not seeing a lot of the signs i look for in town!you

c) i think i'm pretty much out of my scumrange wrt real-time interactions tbh

that's really interesting to hear, as I didn't see the same exhibition of town indicative gamesolving momentum during your real-time interactions that I believe I parsed from the last game.
would you mind towncasing yourself a little bit? just point me to the bits here where you've broken your scumrange, and talk me through which parts would have tripped you over as scum.

d) ok i'm really interested in hearing why all of {tess/raya/gamma/dva/yuriko} are higher townreads than me

this is an interesting question and maybe something which i didn't fully parse when constructing my read lists. if we're tvting here i'm genuinely sorry for not going into this in more detail, and can see why it would be irritating.

basically i've been treating the lack of potent towntells from your slot as outright scum indicative, rather than as null indicative. i think this is probably loosely subconsciously justified because of the strength of the townplay which i've seen from you in the past (that being said i'm realising as i'm going down this rabbit hole that there have been another game where i've gotten mixed up & made this same mistake before. i need to reread that and see how your play here compares).

raya i think is town.
yuriko i think is town...ish, but she is starting to annoy me.
tes and gamma i have seen more null indicators from (just slight town indicators from gamma + wolf indicators from tes)--if this were a standard mountainous type deal i think i would swallow my pride around sorting you and move the tes slot below you.

dva is super null


it's probably not particularly fair but it is definitely an indicator of how i'm approaching you wrt the coalition. i'm immensely worried if we don't take sorting you seriously and you ARE a wolf, you are an endgaming wolf. the heat you've got today kind of begins to pre-justify you surviving to endgame as well. if this is as paranoid as it sounds and i'm

not

on the right path hopefully you can see where the sources of my paranoia are.

e) the game with mylo that i hated maybe?

comparing examples of your scumplay is very nuanced, and something i would rather do if the need arises to outright scumcase you (which is not a point i am at; i simply am not convinced that it's right to have you in the coalition yet).

f) yeah your usual writing style kinda shone through a bit more yesterday

beep boop

probably doesn't actually mean much but i actually think NM's play so far has been scum indicative

? why

this might come off as smart assy
but like why ask this and then vote NM after what is in isolation, for COMPUTER USER NOT_MAFIA, an NAI shitpost 26 posts later?

Who wants to be in my broalition?

VOTE: not mafia

(third vote btw)

skitter30: skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Raya36

i feel pretty good about this list; maybe the least good about raya
but i feel better about raya than like everyone else so yeah

and that read won't be changing till she gets replaced anyways

idk who the fifth should be

strangely, depending on a few certain things i would not totally discount myself from supporting this coalition.

[The Dark Wanderer]

Happy Thanksgiving Americans!

I'm starting to go back to my original TesXx scumread and wondering who I want to include in my coalition slot 5 around that

[skitter30]

It is actually my belief that the previous coalition exhibited your towngame more strongly than this running does. Do you believe yourself to be more towny this time?

about the same tbh

I feel this on a lot of levels but also it doesn't make it easy to sort you, especially since i'm not seeing a lot of the signs i look for in town!you

i mean fair, but it also isn't something that's entirely in my control so it's beginning to be a bit frustrating; like you're dinging me for lack of 'gamesolving momentum' when about half the pl is lurking at any given moment and i'm active and like i myself can't really do much about that the general staleness/lurking-ness beyond trying to prod people into interacting with me

like i understand why that makes it harder to read me but like ... it's frustrating to hear you tell me i'm not being townie for something i can't really do anything about (and when i try to like actually get people to engage with me you complain that i'm asking shallow questions that don't have much purpose, and like, you're right, the questions aren't interesting or profound but that's not the point, the point is to get people to just post)

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would you mind towncasing yourself a little bit? just point me to the bits here where you've broken your scumrange, and talk me through which parts would have tripped you over as scum.

that night where nsg showed up and everyone started posting i doubt i interact with if i was scum; i'd probably just keep an eye on it and post the next morning when the activity died down and can like figure out my holistic response to the entire exchange

i don't think i keep engaging you about why you're not townreading me; i think i kinda accept it and/or ask about it half-heartedly without really following up; like you know i kinda freeze when people scumread me; i don't think i keep trying to interact with you about it;

i don't think i keep complaining about the lack of activity; i'd much rather that if i was scum tbh because it's a lot easier for me to kinda like control the gamestate that way (and in this setup probably sneak into the coalition too)

i don't think aloud in-thread as scum; i don't know exactly how i would have reacted to your vizzy prank as scum but i don't think what i did what have been it, spamming the thread a few times as i sort of worked through the implications of it

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it's probably not particularly fair but it is definitely an indicator of how i'm approaching you wrt the coalition. i'm immensely worried if we don't take sorting you seriously and you ARE a wolf, you are an endgaming wolf. the heat you've got today kind of begins to pre-justify you surviving to endgame as well. if this is as paranoid as it sounds and i'm not on the right path hopefully you can see where the sources of my paranoia are.

yeah i was reading your readslist more of 'this is who i scumread the most' as opposed to 'this is who i townread the least' and yeah i was getting annoyed that i'm beneath a bunch of null-slots because you don't think i've been townie enough even though you don't actually think i'm scummy

i understand why you wouldn't want me in the coalition. to be quite frank if i was playing with someone who had a playstyle similar to mine who i didn't think i could read well i wouldn't want them in it either tbh
and i agree that if i were theoretically scum here i'm the deepwolf most of the time
except that i'm not and it's a little frustrating that you're reading the gamestate as 'scum!skitter will use the suspicion on her today to reach endgame' and not 'town!skitter is having a hard time towntelling in a gamestate where everyone is lurking because nothing is happening', when like i can't control the suspicion on me and i can't control the nk and i can't control the gamestate and the post-coalition scenario might not even happen if we get it right

mulling it over and having you explain this to me i kinda understand your approach to my slot a little more now, especially given my last scumgame (+ last time i was with scum!you you took a different tack trying to push me, more saying that you didn't think town!me would react in a specific way, as opposed to saying scum!me could mimic what town!me would do)

this might come off as smart assy
but like why ask this and then vote NM after what is in isolation, for COMPUTER USER NOT_MAFIA, an NAI shitpost 26 posts later?

it felt like an empty post
like he knew he needed to post so he threw in something half-assed vaguely related to the game but that was also basically useles
i know that he plays like that a lot but it kinda rubbed me the wrong way here; idk if i explained why super well but yeah
+ i kinda wanted to stick my vote somewhere instead of staying unvoted since we are theoretically starting to approach eod

[probs a robot]

yeah, I'm seeing how this can be town!you as well. looking back I don't think I've ever categorically misread town!you before (except

that one time

which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

i'm probably losing a lot of motivation to think of you as scum tbh, i'll need to give the appropriate amount of attention to your selfmeta wrt broken scumrange when i have a bit more time.

so at this point i'm probably reconsidering that the tes/nm slot is just likely to red and i can't remember why i ever changed my mind on that :/ if we treat the gamestate as something like this where do we sit?

do you think this is pretty close to a solve?

dark green = consensus town
light green = hotter takes

not really tiered

northsidegal

The Dark Wanderer

Raya36

probs a robot

TesXX

YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa

skitter30

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah, I'm seeing how this can be town!you as well. looking back I don't think I've ever categorically misread town!you before (except

that one time

which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

i'm probably losing a lot of motivation to think of you as scum tbh, i'll need to give the appropriate amount of attention to your selfmeta wrt broken scumrange when i have a bit more time.

so at this point i'm probably reconsidering that the tes/nm slot is just likely to red and i can't remember why i ever changed my mind on that :/ if we treat the gamestate as something like this where do we sit?

do you think this is pretty close to a solve?

dark green = consensus town
light green = hotter takes

not really tiered

northsidegal

The Dark Wanderer

Raya36

probs a robot

TesXX

YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald

DVa

skitter30

Who is this talking to...?

[probs a robot]

{probs a robot}

{northsidegal}
{TDW, Raya}

{skitter30, DVa}
{Yuriko, Gamma}
{TesXX}

it's a shame that TDW does not like me.
we need to solve these middle tiers but...that is not news...

Who is this talking to...?

My new imaginary friend, skitter30!

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that’ll help determine who you are if I care to figure it out

[probs a robot]

I do not fully trust DVa but every time I think back on her, I am impressed by her continued willingness to impress her every thought process onto us.
Even though it is difficult to discern whether those thought processes are exclusively town, just that willingness must surely count for something. right? maybe? idfk i'm tryin fam


pedit: if skitter/my tmi is starting to compromise the fluidity of the thread i'll rep in on my main

[probs a robot]

{probs a robot}

{northsidegal}
{TDW, Raya}

{skitter30, DVa}
{Yuriko, Gamma}
{TesXX}

it's a shame that TDW does not like me.
we need to solve these middle tiers but...that is not news...

Who is this talking to...?

My new imaginary friend, skitter30!

oo. sans gamma this is also the "sort by postcount" solve.

[Gamma Emerald]

No I like the gimmick
If I figure it out I’ll stay mum but I’ll def use it to read you

[DVa]

I do not fully trust DVa but every time I think back on her, I am impressed by her continued willingness to impress her every thought process onto us.

I'm sort of starting to dislike your posts, I don't know that it makes you scum but I think you're one of the reasons the first thought I have when I open this game is "should I replace out?"

I don't even know you're being rude here, it strikes me as sorta passive aggressive but I don't know you mean it that way. Mostly I'm just exhausted by you doing 20,000 micro adjustments to your read of me and broadcasting each and every one when they all boil down to null, like you saying I'm null enough times will accomplish something.

[skitter30]

(except that one time which we don't talk about and it was a pretty different situation anyway)

i'm actually not sure which one you're referring to here (i'm guessing the one with the awful mylo ??? not sure)

also you aren't doing the over-dramatic emotion-thing which i always read as fake which is making me want to townread you

dark green = consensus town
light green = hotter takes

not really tiered

northsidegal
The Dark Wanderer
Raya36
probs a robot
TesXX
YurikoJasmine
Gamma Emerald
DVa
skitter30

yeah i think that's pretty close to a solve
don't really want dva in it tho; i'm not townreading the slot like at all

feeling better about you now; not quite ready to heal you yet but this dialogue is pushing me in that direction

[probs a robot]

I do not fully trust DVa but every time I think back on her, I am impressed by her continued willingness to impress her every thought process onto us.

I'm sort of starting to dislike your posts, I don't know that it makes you scum but I think you're one of the reasons the first thought I have when I open this game is "should I replace out?"

I don't even know you're being rude here, it strikes me as sorta passive aggressive but I don't know you mean it that way. Mostly I'm just exhausted by you doing 20,000 micro adjustments to your read of me and broadcasting each and every one when they all boil down to null, like you saying I'm null enough times will accomplish something.

It's certainly not malicious, and as I've mentioned I want to townread you for it for what that's worth. It sounds like this is an out of game exception you're taking with my playstyle more so than an alignment based issue with my reads though so if you feel I'm making this game an unfortunate place to be, I'm happy to move on as well. (you were here first; I'm more than happy to play with you but due respect).

This is a good time to sort each other though. Do you think any of my reads takes or shifts on your slot have been unfair or unjustified? If you think I'm taking liberties in a scum indicative way I'll leave that with you to talk through. But if you think I'm being unfair or not looking at the right things can you help me realise where you would expect to be read more strongly?