Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Amzela]

*blushes* senpai noticed me

[Reasonably Rational]

Also ... I find it amusing that I'm supposedly being awful by using words which mean what I mean to say and which are

also

an accurate description of your play ... but you see no problem in slinging names at me and presupposing that I have malicious intent. Pot ... meet Kettle. (In case it's not clear; we aren't kettles. Well ... can't speak for Cerb. I'm a tea cozy).

Also ... if I was actually trying to attack you personally you would certainly know it. Please trust me when I say this because if you push much further, I'm going to demonstrate. I don't pick fights in these games, but when someone starts attacking my personal character and slinging names at me, I

DO

take the gloves off and FINISH the fight. You have been warned. Continue with the name calling and personal attacks and you will find out what it looks like when I (Drixx) actually want to go after you.

I don't know any way to make myself more clear. Stop or don't cry when you provoke a response with intent.

~Drixx

P-Edit: A remarkably on spot post by Cerb there.

P-Edit^2: Are you serious? The word "Histrionic" is verboten because it's attached to some "radical political philosophy"? Or did you mean the NEXT post I made after you started calling me names and accusing me of attacking you personally because I used a word to describe your earlier ATE filled posts ... and that word was accurate ... and you tried to bully me and tell me that I can't have that opinion of your earlier posts ... because the WORD I used somehow hurt your feeling. I mean ... that's what "Safe Spaces" are right? A place where you get to tell someone they can't use certain words or have certain opinions because those words and opinions offend you? I haven't felt the need for such a space, so please feel free to tell me if I misunderstand the idea.

Because if I do NOT misunderstand the idea, I'm pretty sure it's a very accurate description of what you tried to do. You literally tried to bully me into ignoring bad play on your part because talking about it offended you.

I'm sorry you feel I was making some kind of political connection. That's on you. YOU made that comparison. I simply pointed out that trying to bully someone into silence is not okay and drew a comparison to make my point. I never mentioned politics. You did.

You are literally a thin thread away from me going back and quoting what I've already said and then posting how I would have said it if I want to have a go at you. Please stop.

[Amzela]

Wait Drixx, was that towards me?

[Reasonably Rational]

*blushes* senpai noticed me

We gotta find you an avatar.

Also ... please elaborate on your suspicion that Cerb and I are scum. I need to see this thought process written down.

~D

P-Edit: Nope. Nancy decided to wade further into troubled waters and suggest I was making political statements ... after the bullying and name calling didn't browbeat me into silence and obedience.

[Reasonably Rational]

RR made note that Thor was acting more like his scum self in that game, so maybe not? Also, I think we have a few more strong personalities in this game.

LOL. No. I flat out told the game that Thor was scum and Thor was scum. All you need to read Thor is experience playing against him if you are scum and he isn't. Modding a game he plays in will probably help also since you get the outside view. He's terrifying if you're scum and he's town but he has some really deep grooves he tends to stick to as well.

Also maybe I'm giving everyone a really high BoP here because I think somehow nobody else really saw it in OK1? It seems pretty straightforward to me though. He's a bit less active this game than I'd like, but the early trend seems very much town on him, if you're wondering. I still have him in the null stack in my mind though. Waiting to see something specific in his posting.

~D

@RR;Drixx, if we weren't in OK1, should we read OK1?

I know he’s not scumreading me based on that but that isn’t the point. I don’t appreciate him using terms like “histrionics” to describe my feelings. Yes, I am not suggesting that I should automatically be townread for that, only that my emotions are always genuine.

Maybe we understand differently the word "histrionic" in this context. What do you feel he's saying with that word? 'Cause, as far as I know, being histrionic is not intrinsically bad
p-edit: yeah RR defined histrionics as I know it is, and being dramatic is a personality treat, not a disorder or anything like that. My girlfriend is the most dramatic person I've ever known and it's fun, it's like living in a movie

He thinks just because this is a game, it somehow justifies him acting like a dick to me and it doesn’t. Scumreading me is a part of the game, abusing me isn’t and his most recent post is very close to bordering on that. If I wasn’t in a hydra, I would replace out over this but I made a commitment to DVa. A50 probably can’t do anything to stop it. I keep trying to as nicely as possible, to get through to him why his treatment of me is unacceptable and he just keeps doubling down and misconstruing what I’m saying. I never ever said, a single one of my posts were untouchable, only for him to stop being such a jerk to me.

Like there is a way to discuss my posts, without deliberately being an ass about it, is my point.

I personally don't read the abusiveness of the post, as Drixx was using histrionic in context of the descriptive word and he did make a point that we seem to be townreading you for those things. I don't think he was going after you necessarily but going after us for letting you all off the hook. And we have, to some extent.
(I don't trust you but the people you've both called out as Town/Scum are confusing me and I don't want to sort through that mess on Turkey Day.)
(Trust issues ftw)

Also RR;Drixx, this isn't just a game of rhetoric fite me.

That being said, I also heavily think that RR is scum, possibly due to knowing Cerb a little more and their original randomeness, and for you two to "seem to get into a genuine fight" is throwing me off and I am just confused. You do seem Town and I don't think scum would infight like that, unless this is an elaborate ploy to get us all confused.

Also @pintu I just realized that you're from Chile! Come up and eat turkey with us.

Also, I do not think this game is multiball and if so *throws hands up in the air and jumps out a window*.

I don't think you need to read OK1 if you weren't in it. People might keep referring to it though, given that a large part of this playerlist was in that game.

Okay Amzela, let's break down your reason for thinking we're scum.

1) We did a thing that you fail to see a town motivation for, in spite of us(or me, at least) explaining what the intent was.
2) ????
....

Does that about sum it up? If so, let's look at 1 then. Two lines here, we're either doing/did this change in play as a deliberate scum ploy, or a deliberate town one.

If it was a deliberate scum ploy, where's the scum motivation in changing our playstyle deliberately(you don't have experience with us, but you can ask Varsoon and...well, mainly Varsoon, I guess, how consistent our overall approach to the game has been historically regardless of alignment), ESPECIALLY considering that I(and we, together), have *NEVER* been lynched as scum prior to LYLO.

Never.

That is, our approach to the game, as scum, from our perspective, GUARANTEES we will make it to endgame.

Why change that?

Now, let's say it's a town ploy intended to do what we said we wanted it to do, namely, give us some reactions to use to gauge the alignment of those players who have experience with us in the game, but which you simply don't see as functioning that way.

Is it more likely that we chose to discard a very successful survival strategy as scum and draw this attention to ourselves, or that we sincerely believe that our methodology could help us in scumhunting?

-Cerb

@DrewVa: It inherently implies that what you're doing is *designed*. This is a game where people attempt AtE all the time. As a result, literally every time someone is emotional, there will be at least one person in the game who believes it's just AtE. That is something you will have to get used to if you want to continue playing mafia through this medium at least. It is unfortunate that people attempt emotional manipulation, but they do, and it prevents people from simply taking emotional displays at face value. Drixx's safe space comment was unnecessarily inflammatory, yes, but I believe it was a valid rhetorical tool to draw parallels between something those here would be familiar with, and what he perceived you to be doing: Attempting to insulate yourself from critical rhetoric through the use of an emotional outburst. One could do that as town to get some space to breathe, but it's more likely to be done *deliberately* by scum.

[DrewVa]

I know he’s not scumreading me based on that but that isn’t the point. I don’t appreciate him using terms like “histrionics” to describe my feelings. Yes, I am not suggesting that I should automatically be townread for that, only that my emotions are always genuine.

Maybe we understand differently the word "histrionic" in this context. What do you feel he's saying with that word? 'Cause, as far as I know, being histrionic is not intrinsically bad
p-edit: yeah RR defined histrionics as I know it is, and being dramatic is a personality treat, not a disorder or anything like that. My girlfriend is the most dramatic person I've ever known and it's fun, it's like living in a movie

He thinks just because this is a game, it somehow justifies him acting like a dick to me and it doesn’t. Scumreading me is a part of the game, abusing me isn’t and his most recent post is very close to bordering on that. If I wasn’t in a hydra, I would replace out over this but I made a commitment to DVa. A50 probably can’t do anything to stop it. I keep trying to as nicely as possible, to get through to him why his treatment of me is unacceptable and he just keeps doubling down and misconstruing what I’m saying. I never ever said, a single one of my posts were untouchable, only for him to stop being such a jerk to me.

Like there is a way to discuss my posts, without deliberately being an ass about it, is my point.

There's nothing inherently abusive in what my other head said, nor is he being a dick to you. He's certainly not being NICE to you, but he's not being a dick. There is nothing wrong or abusive with stating that he expects you, and everyone else ,to behave to a certain standard, and point out that you're not, in his opinion, living up to that standard. *shrug* If he were to say that there's something inherently flawed or otherwise wrong with you for not living up to that standard, I could see you viewing his statement as abusive, but given that he's expressing a fundamental opinion he has of your play in this game and not of your character, your reaction is out of proportion to the events that spurred it in you. I get that from your perspective, emotionally speaking, they are not, and he's treating you this way...but I'm informing you that from the perspective of at least *this* other person who isn't Drixx, you are taking things far too personally.

In addition, this entire exchange, except insofar as we find it more likely that you're engaging in scum theatre than being sincere, is irrelevant to the game of mafia. You obviously can't prove to us that you're being sincere, and thus your focus on attempting to do so is essentially a waste of your energy, while your expectation that we should automatically believe you while playing a game focused on uncovering deception is unreasonable.

With regards to the question of whether or not there is a way to discuss your posts without being a dick: Yes, there likely exists some way to do so, but considering how broad your definition of being a dick appears to be, I am uncertain if one could be critical of your posts without coming across as a dick to you.

-Cerb

How many times do I have to repeat that

I don’t expect to be townread for having genuine emotions

? I am getting really frustrated about this and I understand your defense of your hydra partner but yes, he is being a dick to me here, with that safe space bs.

If you honestly believe that I’m capable of faking my emotions as any alignment, there is nothing more I can say about that. I am not going to continue to engage that topic with you or anyone.

[profii]

Why is Thor scum here? I think I will probably anti-sheep any of your votes in this game.

~Nancy

Outside of this:

RR made note that Thor was acting more like his scum self in that game, so maybe not? Also, I think we have a few more strong personalities in this game.

It's coming from early posts and his defensiveness, which I do believe got called out by Cheeky.

--
Sidenote, not game related, histrionic is not inherently bad but has been used historically as a way to invalidate the concerns/feelings/treatment of women. This comes from the Renaissance and hysteria has typically been used as an excuse to mark women as irrational and, therefore, inferior as it was said to be only related to the uterus. I believe that might be the reason why Nancy doesn't like the usage of the word, and though it may not inherently be offensive, it could be argued that it implies something.

Further to the side note there is a lot of language in the posts that one could argue is obviously going to upset someone you have identified as “emotional about being scum read” or whatever

And I think it’s being masked under the guise of “I’m just being matter of fact about things”

I kinda think it’s a shading tactic tbh

[Amzela]

*blushes* senpai noticed me

We gotta find you an avatar.

Also ... please elaborate on your suspicion that Cerb and I are scum. I need to see this thought process written down.

~D

P-Edit: Nope. Nancy decided to wade further into troubled waters and suggest I was making political statements ... after the bullying and name calling didn't browbeat me into silence and obedience.

I know you're going to hate me for this, but it's merely a strong feeling. And I play with my gut.
(That's why I am so fucking bad at lying games and why I couldn't stop blushing when Cerb called me out as renegade during Bang!)

It's mostly that, as Cerb has mentioned, you all don't really do things randomly. Though I wouldn't put the RVS past a way to elicit reactions and write things down for research, I would be surprised that it would be your first post. That and I feel like congratulating Farside on figuring things out and yet not disputing it, while is completely something that Cerb would do, it's suspicious.

I don't know how to feel about the Hebi thing earlier in the game, calling out the emotional pull. I also know that people have been saying scum lay low, and I feel like you two wouldn't be ones to do that, and there's been posting and figuring out things, so I don't know.

However, I don't want you all to be lynched because I do appreciate your analyses.

[Amzela]

This is a game where people attempt AtE all the time.

:]

[Reasonably Rational]

Why is Thor scum here? I think I will probably anti-sheep any of your votes in this game.

~Nancy

Outside of this:

RR made note that Thor was acting more like his scum self in that game, so maybe not? Also, I think we have a few more strong personalities in this game.

It's coming from early posts and his defensiveness, which I do believe got called out by Cheeky.

--
Sidenote, not game related, histrionic is not inherently bad but has been used historically as a way to invalidate the concerns/feelings/treatment of women. This comes from the Renaissance and hysteria has typically been used as an excuse to mark women as irrational and, therefore, inferior as it was said to be only related to the uterus. I believe that might be the reason why Nancy doesn't like the usage of the word, and though it may not inherently be offensive, it could be argued that it implies something.

Further to the side note there is a lot of language in the posts that one could argue is obviously going to upset someone you have identified as “emotional about being scum read” or whatever

And I think it’s being masked under the guise of “I’m just being matter of fact about things”

I kinda think it’s a shading tactic tbh

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

And please don't say anything about spamming the game and distractions and all that shit. 1v1'ing Wisdom would be the absolute best way to accomplish that goal if we were scum.

-Cerb

pedit: AMZELA TRY TO LYNCH US IF YOU THINK WE'RE SCUM. That's just how the game should be played. I mean, you'll fail(I would expect us to top out at 8 votes at this stage in the day, 4 from people who have already expressed some inclination to be opposed to us, and 4 from people who don't care/are scum), but it could be a good exercise. <3

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

[Amzela]

pedit: AMZELA TRY TO LYNCH US IF YOU THINK WE'RE SCUM. That's just how the game should be played. I mean, you'll fail(I would expect us to top out at 8 votes at this stage in the day, 4 from people who have already expressed some inclination to be opposed to us, and 4 from people who don't care/are scum), but it could be a good exercise. <3

Nope I need your brains. I just hope you get vig (haha I know the terminology) at some point in time.

pedit: ah what the fuck.
VOTE: RR

[DrewVa]

Also ... I find it amusing that I'm supposedly being awful by using words which mean what I mean to say and which are

also

an accurate description of your play ... but you see no problem in slinging names at me and presupposing that I have malicious intent. Pot ... meet Kettle. (In case it's not clear; we aren't kettles. Well ... can't speak for Cerb. I'm a tea cozy).

Also ... if I was actually trying to attack you personally you would certainly know it. Please trust me when I say this because if you push much further, I'm going to demonstrate. I don't pick fights in these games, but when someone starts attacking my personal character and slinging names at me, I

DO

take the gloves off and FINISH the fight. You have been warned. Continue with the name calling and personal attacks and you will find out what it looks like when I (Drixx) actually want to go after you.

I don't know any way to make myself more clear. Stop or don't cry when you provoke a response with intent.

~Drixx

P-Edit: A remarkably on spot post by Cerb there.

P-Edit^2: Are you serious? The word "Histrionic" is verboten because it's attached to some "radical political philosophy"? Or did you mean the NEXT post I made after you started calling me names and accusing me of attacking you personally because I used a word to describe your earlier ATE filled posts ... and that word was accurate ... and you tried to bully me and tell me that I can't have that opinion of your earlier posts ... because the WORD I used somehow hurt your feeling. I mean ... that's what "Safe Spaces" are right? A place where you get to tell someone they can't use certain words or have certain opinions because those words and opinions offend you? I haven't felt the need for such a space, so please feel free to tell me if I misunderstand the idea.

Because if I do NOT misunderstand the idea, I'm pretty sure it's a very accurate description of what you tried to do. You literally tried to bully me into ignoring bad play on your part because talking about it offended you.

I'm sorry you feel I was making some kind of political connection. That's on you. YOU made that comparison. I simply pointed out that trying to bully someone into silence is not okay and drew a comparison to make my point. I never mentioned politics. You did.

You are literally a thin thread away from me going back and quoting what I've already said and then posting how I would have said it if I want to have a go at you. Please stop.

I have a right to defend myself and tbf, I did try my best to do that nicely and you know that. All I am asking of you, is stop invalidating my feelings, not to townread me for having them and yes, that whole safe space thing you brought into it, did sound like a personal attack, even if you probably didn’t intend it as such. I am an individual and don’t appreciate having my extremely valid point being invalidated, by lumping me into some radical alt-left group.

I’m not interested in trading insults with you and I have 0 objection to either you or anyone else, thoroughly examining everyone of my posts, with a fine toothcomb. I think both you and Cerb may have conceivably misunderstood me wrt that. Ftr, I am completely fine with that. I would never even suggest - let alone attempt to “bully” anyone into ignoring anything I’ve said. Are we clear now? Yes?

[Reasonably Rational]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

[DrewVa]

*blushes* senpai noticed me

We gotta find you an avatar.

Also ... please elaborate on your suspicion that Cerb and I are scum. I need to see this thought process written down.

~D

P-Edit: Nope. Nancy decided to wade further into troubled waters and suggest I was making political statements ... after the bullying and name calling didn't browbeat me into silence and obedience.

I’m not trying to “bully” or “browbeat” anyone into “silence” or “obedience”. I just don’t want my feelings to be invalidated. *sigh*

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

I'm trying to be polite here and say if there is no reason to this why is it dragging on. It's a bit lame.

[Alonzo]

Or as stallone said in batman

Chill ooowwwt

[Reasonably Rational]

How many times do I have to repeat that

I don’t expect to be townread for having genuine emotions

?

You find even one single town game of mine, where I haven’t freaked out at getting voted. You can’t because it doesn’t fucking exist.

Please do tell me how you saying that you

always

"freak out" at getting voted (and "freak out" certainly implies emotion, yes?) when town and going so far as to say there is no town game of yours in existence where you got voted but DID NOT "freak out" ... is compatible with the first quoted statement where you try to say you don't expect to be townread because of said earlier emotional "freak out"?

Because if I want to be pedantic I suppose I could carefully parse what you said in #341 as you

just pointing out

that you always do that when you are town but

not actually SAYING

you should be town read in this game for doing it ... but everyone who reads your ISO is going to realize you are making that point

BECAUSE

you "freaked out" in this game, emotionally, and you therefore are pointing at your own meta in order to get a town read.

Furthermore ... you should perhaps evaluate yourself a bit. You're walking pretty close to Trust Tell territory here. If you're not familiar: A Trust Tell comes in two parts. First ... you set up a behavior that you always do as one alignment (and generally one alignment only, which is what I think saves you from having pulled a Trust Tell in this case). Then ... you mention it in order to gain advantage in a game.

I said CLOSE to and not actually a TT (at least, not in my view). It's close though. I figured you'd want to be aware so you don't accidentally leverage meta too far.

~D

P.S. - Please go back and look at this exchange. The thing you are claiming to be most offended by didn't get said until

AFTER

you attempted to bully me and called me names. I think I'm okay in having employed rhetoric lightly back at you. I honestly don't know what else to say to you here. I could, I suppose, point you to some places where you could see what it looks like if I'm actually irritated at someone and want to attack them, so you can know for sure that what you're seeing in this game is NOT that. I don't know if that will help. LMK.


I'm going to go enjoy thanksgiving now. I hope everyone has an awesome day


@amzela - I don't believe in "gut". A "gut feeling" is just your brain notifying you that you missed something.


P-edit: Ooh ... Profii finally found some reason to vote us. That took awhile. LOL.

P-edit^2: I didn't edit this post Nancy ... but I did see your last couple posts. Hopefully we can just move on from here.

[Reasonably Rational]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

I'm trying to be polite here and say if there is no reason to this why is it dragging on. It's a bit lame.

No. You've been looking for an excuse to vote us all game. Jumping into a minor personal dispute to have an excuse is pretty bad man.

For the record (for the people who know us): I've been side eyeing Profii since that really bad "reads" list earlier. I wonder who else saw what I saw in the reactions to that. I suspect Thor, Varsoon and Tails all caught it.

VOTE: profii

I'm comfortable here. Too much baggage and noise on the DVA slot to have any certainty and nobody else seems to believe lying with ATE is indicative of anything so ... here we are.

~D

PS - really going to thanksgiving stuff now. Have fun storming the castle!

[DrewVa]

RR made note that Thor was acting more like his scum self in that game, so maybe not? Also, I think we have a few more strong personalities in this game.

LOL. No. I flat out told the game that Thor was scum and Thor was scum. All you need to read Thor is experience playing against him if you are scum and he isn't. Modding a game he plays in will probably help also since you get the outside view. He's terrifying if you're scum and he's town but he has some really deep grooves he tends to stick to as well.

Also maybe I'm giving everyone a really high BoP here because I think somehow nobody else really saw it in OK1? It seems pretty straightforward to me though. He's a bit less active this game than I'd like, but the early trend seems very much town on him, if you're wondering. I still have him in the null stack in my mind though. Waiting to see something specific in his posting.

~D

@RR;Drixx, if we weren't in OK1, should we read OK1?

I know he’s not scumreading me based on that but that isn’t the point. I don’t appreciate him using terms like “histrionics” to describe my feelings. Yes, I am not suggesting that I should automatically be townread for that, only that my emotions are always genuine.

Maybe we understand differently the word "histrionic" in this context. What do you feel he's saying with that word? 'Cause, as far as I know, being histrionic is not intrinsically bad
p-edit: yeah RR defined histrionics as I know it is, and being dramatic is a personality treat, not a disorder or anything like that. My girlfriend is the most dramatic person I've ever known and it's fun, it's like living in a movie

He thinks just because this is a game, it somehow justifies him acting like a dick to me and it doesn’t. Scumreading me is a part of the game, abusing me isn’t and his most recent post is very close to bordering on that. If I wasn’t in a hydra, I would replace out over this but I made a commitment to DVa. A50 probably can’t do anything to stop it. I keep trying to as nicely as possible, to get through to him why his treatment of me is unacceptable and he just keeps doubling down and misconstruing what I’m saying. I never ever said, a single one of my posts were untouchable, only for him to stop being such a jerk to me.

Like there is a way to discuss my posts, without deliberately being an ass about it, is my point.

I personally don't read the abusiveness of the post, as Drixx was using histrionic in context of the descriptive word and he did make a point that we seem to be townreading you for those things. I don't think he was going after you necessarily but going after us for letting you all off the hook. And we have, to some extent.
(I don't trust you but the people you've both called out as Town/Scum are confusing me and I don't want to sort through that mess on Turkey Day.)
(Trust issues ftw)

Also RR;Drixx, this isn't just a game of rhetoric fite me.

That being said, I also heavily think that RR is scum, possibly due to knowing Cerb a little more and their original randomeness, and for you two to "seem to get into a genuine fight" is throwing me off and I am just confused. You do seem Town and I don't think scum would infight like that, unless this is an elaborate ploy to get us all confused.

Also @pintu I just realized that you're from Chile! Come up and eat turkey with us.

Also, I do not think this game is multiball and if so *throws hands up in the air and jumps out a window*.

I don't think you need to read OK1 if you weren't in it. People might keep referring to it though, given that a large part of this playerlist was in that game.

Okay Amzela, let's break down your reason for thinking we're scum.

1) We did a thing that you fail to see a town motivation for, in spite of us(or me, at least) explaining what the intent was.
2) ????
....

Does that about sum it up? If so, let's look at 1 then. Two lines here, we're either doing/did this change in play as a deliberate scum ploy, or a deliberate town one.

If it was a deliberate scum ploy, where's the scum motivation in changing our playstyle deliberately(you don't have experience with us, but you can ask Varsoon and...well, mainly Varsoon, I guess, how consistent our overall approach to the game has been historically regardless of alignment), ESPECIALLY considering that I(and we, together), have *NEVER* been lynched as scum prior to LYLO.

Never.

That is, our approach to the game, as scum, from our perspective, GUARANTEES we will make it to endgame.

Why change that?

Now, let's say it's a town ploy intended to do what we said we wanted it to do, namely, give us some reactions to use to gauge the alignment of those players who have experience with us in the game, but which you simply don't see as functioning that way.

Is it more likely that we chose to discard a very successful survival strategy as scum and draw this attention to ourselves, or that we sincerely believe that our methodology could help us in scumhunting?

-Cerb

@DrewVa: It inherently implies that what you're doing is *designed*. This is a game where people attempt AtE all the time. As a result, literally every time someone is emotional, there will be at least one person in the game who believes it's just AtE. That is something you will have to get used to if you want to continue playing mafia through this medium at least. It is unfortunate that people attempt emotional manipulation, but they do, and it prevents people from simply taking emotional displays at face value. Drixx's safe space comment was unnecessarily inflammatory, yes, but I believe it was a valid rhetorical tool to draw parallels between something those here would be familiar with, and what he perceived you to be doing: Attempting to insulate yourself from critical rhetoric through the use of an emotional outburst. One could do that as town to get some space to breathe, but it's more likely to be done *deliberately* by scum.

I am not trying to “insulate” myself from anything and yes, so sue me for getting overly upset when I perceive I I am being wrongly scumread for whatever reason. I told you before that I am well aware that ths a weakness of mine in games and I’m really trying to take it less personally. If that’s easy for you, then I envy you for it but it’s not at all for me. I’ve been trying to do this my entire life but no, I don’t think I should have to give up playing Mafia because of that. No player is perfect and there would be no games, if that was required.

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

RCEnigma (3):	Thor665 (61),	BuJaber (262),	Tails (477),
BuJaber (3):	DrippingGoofball (609),	Varsoon (614),	Majiffy (631),
DrewVa (3):	BrightEyedFish (192),	Gamma Emerald (268),	Wisdom (652),
Wisdom (2):	hebichan (435),	DrewVa (651),
Reasonably Rational (2):	profii (885),	Amzela (886),
profii (2):	pinturicchio (450),	Reasonably Rational (893),
Majiffy (1):	Malakitty (42),
DrippingGoofball (1):	davesaz (56),
hebichan (1):	CheekyTeeky (69),
BrightEyedFish (1):	Alchemist21 (386),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Alonzo (440),
Chickadee (1):	Fortian (830),
Not voting (5):	Creature,	Toogeloo,	Chickadee,	Flavor Leaf (416),	RCEnigma (438),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[Gamma Emerald]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

How is RR winding DrewVa up in the first place
Nancy was pretty high strung to start with

[Gamma Emerald]

Or as stallone said in batman

Chill ooowwwt

VOTE: Alonzo
I will not tolerate this level of pop culture ignoramus-ism

[DrewVa]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Has DrewVa been successful at making anyone agree with them so far? No? So what would be the motivation for shading them, rather than letting them just continue digging the hole they were already busy with.

The second possiblity, of just winding her up for no reason, is, again, something that would be better accomplished by going after other individuals in the game; that is, if one assumes that we'd even do that, which we never have felt the urge to do in the past. *shrug* Obviously you can't assume that we're not doing it this time, but again, where's the scum motivation?

-Cerb

I keep saying over and over again, ad nauseum that I don’t expect to be townread for my emotional reactions. I also keep saying, that I am not trying to stop or prevent anyone from doing whatever’s necessary to obtain an accurate read on me. So what exactly do you think I’m trying to sell here, based on this? What agenda do you see me driving?

[profii]

So you believe that Drixx and I are "winding" DrewVa up? To what end?

you're either shading DrewVa up because she is pushing something that doesnt help your win con.

or if you are "winding DrewVa up" apparently to no end then it's just unpleasantness for unpleasantness' sake

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

How is RR winding DrewVa up in the first place
Nancy was pretty high strung to start with

Dramas take 2 to tango - tbh I just got bored of wall quotes and want it to stop and it mostly looks irrelevant.