Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Varsoon]

I mean
Meta arguments in general are garbage and I don't like em
For me, Meta ends up informing a lot of gut stuff for a player because I get a baseline for how their posting makes me feel as either alignment
But as far as strats and rhetoric goes, most players are capable enough to shift gears.

I always think meta should be supplemental to a case rather than the foundation for a scumread.

P-EDIT: Nah but the whole thing does kinda start around Profii voting and RR calling it a bad vote.

[Majiffy]

I just re-ISO’d your game and 2) is patently false. You’re obvtown game didn’t deteriorate at all, it remained consistent. 3) Completely disagree.

Fun fact: Scum!Varsoon said pretty much the exact same thing in BoD, wrt meta. I should have seen that for the scumtell it was.

Well you've got blinders on. I stopped giving a fuck after D1. And good luck with that false premise of what actually makes meta arguments work. Hint: it's about statistical analysis, something you need more than one data point to do.

But sure, lynch me. This game was unpleasant with 5 players spamming the other 21 of us into prod dodge play and I don't see my enjoyment of it increasing any time soon

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

DrippingGoofball (6):	davesaz (56),	CheekyTeeky (992),	BrightEyedFish (1089),	RCEnigma (1098),	pinturicchio (1099),	DrewVa (1121),
RCEnigma (3):	Thor665 (61),	BuJaber (262),	Tails (477),
BuJaber (3):	DrippingGoofball (609),	Varsoon (614),	Majiffy (631),
Majiffy (3):	Malakitty (42),	Wisdom (1078),	hebichan (1083),
BrightEyedFish (1):	Alchemist21 (386),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Alonzo (440),
Chickadee (1):	Fortian (830),
Reasonably Rational (1):	profii (885),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
Alonzo (1):	Gamma Emerald (897),
Thor665 (1):	Amzela (1044),
Creature (1):	Chickadee (1090),
Not voting (3):	Creature,	Toogeloo,	Flavor Leaf (416),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[DrewVa]

Fwiw I didn't believe the dayvig was a thing, but that kind of solidifies my townread on Varsoon. The play started with his vote on Profii so if you look for reactions start there and not the actual shot.

Which post? I don't think I ever voted Profii.

Wisdom being scum here would not surprise me in the least. I think he’s likely bussing Majiffy.

Also wouldn’t be shocked if Goofball/Majiffy/Wisdom are a team.

Team 'minimum effort;maximum results'
Honest though you would think a scumteam here does put out less content in order to have a lower profile.
Also, given the nature of being able to be killed themselves, they probably do a lot of D1 distancing and ish like that.

Maybe but I’ve seen plenty of scumteams who didn’t do that as well. I don’t think Wisdom’s play comes from town. He has said way to many WTF things in this game - something he tends to mostly do as scum.

Like his recent lyncher comment, his asking about the # of scum comment. His incessant flip-flopping on my slot. None of that ever comes from town!Wisdom but he’s apparently good enough to have gotten himself townread by a few who know jack about his meta, so it’s obvious he won’t be getting lynched today.

I’m still going back and forth between Majiffy and Goofball for today, anyway. I think Wisdom just realized that Profii and me are bad lynches, so not at all impressed by his jump to Majiffy.

[DrewVa]

I mean
Meta arguments in general are garbage and I don't like em
For me, Meta ends up informing a lot of gut stuff for a player because I get a baseline for how their posting makes me feel as either alignment
But as far as strats and rhetoric goes, most players are capable enough to shift gears.

I always think meta should be supplemental to a case rather than the foundation for a scumread.

P-EDIT: Nah but the whole thing does kinda start around Profii voting and RR calling it a bad vote.

I strongly disagree. It isn’t helpful for all players and it is often time and site based but when you talk about recent meta on this site, for players you have had a lot of experience playing with, I think it can be extremely useful.

I do agree about meta being supplemental however. DVa is scumreading Wisdom, only on his play here and I am doing both.

I have correctly read Creature and remember, my desperado shot on Marquis? That was largely based on meta. His play in the 2 FG games was strikingly different.

[DrewVa]

I just re-ISO’d your game and 2) is patently false. You’re obvtown game didn’t deteriorate at all, it remained consistent. 3) Completely disagree.

Fun fact: Scum!Varsoon said pretty much the exact same thing in BoD, wrt meta. I should have seen that for the scumtell it was.

Well you've got blinders on. I stopped giving a fuck after D1. And good luck with that false premise of what actually makes meta arguments work. Hint: it's about statistical analysis, something you need more than one data point to do.

But sure, lynch me. This game was unpleasant with 5 players spamming the other 21 of us into prod dodge play and I don't see my enjoyment of it increasing any time soon

My comment disputing what you said regarding your play falling off in that game I linked wasn’t true. Anyone checking it can verify that.

Tell me then. Who is scum here and why?

Saying how you’re not invested in the game, is an extremely easy guise for scum to hide behind. Sure, town can do that as well but it doesn’t help us read you in this game.

[Alchemist21]

Oh are we trying to lynch me again? That's fun. Good luck with that.

Ooh it's my scum day

Tell us why your play is so different here then in the game I linked?

You were blatantly obvtown in that one.

You especially need to explain it to Wisdom, how can’t understand meta reads if his life depended on it.

I already explained this but 1) that game had a whole bunch of Torontomeet people in it originally and I wanted to play with them 2) my play isn't "so different" after they all replaced out 3) 1-game meta arguments are garbage

I just re-ISO’d your game and 2) is patently false. You’re obvtown game didn’t deteriorate at all, it remained consistent. 3) Completely disagree.

Fun fact: Scum!Varsoon said pretty much the exact same thing in BoD, wrt meta. I should have seen that for the scumtell it was.

What are you considering obvTown for him? I was in that game with him and he did drop off after the OG playerlist was gone (but I was also scum and not really paying attention to Towntells).

[Flavor Leaf]

VLA until Monday. Slight VLA

You all know how I am, though, I’m very likely to get involved whenever i get the chance to catch up, and have high activit for a bit. I’m just gonna be out of town until Monday, but I’ll have some time to post.

[DrewVa]

Oh are we trying to lynch me again? That's fun. Good luck with that.

Ooh it's my scum day

Tell us why your play is so different here then in the game I linked?

You were blatantly obvtown in that one.

You especially need to explain it to Wisdom, how can’t understand meta reads if his life depended on it.

I already explained this but 1) that game had a whole bunch of Torontomeet people in it originally and I wanted to play with them 2) my play isn't "so different" after they all replaced out 3) 1-game meta arguments are garbage

I just re-ISO’d your game and 2) is patently false. You’re obvtown game didn’t deteriorate at all, it remained consistent. 3) Completely disagree.

Fun fact: Scum!Varsoon said pretty much the exact same thing in BoD, wrt meta. I should have seen that for the scumtell it was.

What are you considering obvTown for him? I was in that game with him and he did drop off after the OG playerlist was gone (but I was also scum and not really paying attention to Towntells).

He was making blatantly obtown posts throughout his ISO. Did you check my link? I didn’t count the number of them, only concerned myself with the content.

I prefer Goofball because his votes don’t make any sense at all and maybe Majiffy just needs to get his head into the game, so he can be solved D2.

[Majiffy]

My comment disputing what you said regarding your play falling off in that game I linked wasn’t true. Anyone checking it can verify that.

and yet in the very next post after this, Alch confirms what I've said.

Like I said: you've got blinders on

Tell me then. Who is scum here and why?

The BuJ person I'm voting. Their hop on the RCE wagon was hot garbage.

Saying how you’re not invested in the game, is an extremely easy guise for scum to hide behind. Sure, town can do that as well but it doesn’t help us read you in this game.

I don't really care.

[Majiffy]

DGB is a She btw

[DrewVa]

My comment disputing what you said regarding your play falling off in that game I linked wasn’t true. Anyone checking it can verify that.

and yet in the very next post after this, Alch confirms what I've said.

Like I said: you've got blinders on

Tell me then. Who is scum here and why?

The BuJ person I'm voting. Their hop on the RCE wagon was hot garbage.

Saying how you’re not invested in the game, is an extremely easy guise for scum to hide behind. Sure, town can do that as well but it doesn’t help us read you in this game.

I don't really care.

Maybe, I townread RCE but Bujaber frequently got wagoned in the previous game but you’re also sheeping one of my strongest townreads. Hmmm . . .

UNVOTE:

[DrewVa]

Oh Varsoon too

Damn I wanted to be cool and lead the charge

You can still take the reigns if you have some actual reasons to elaborate on why other folks should be voting there
This is my worst challenge when it comes to mafia
It's really hard for me to get others to see shit that I consider obvious

@Varsoon, Tell me why you think Bujaber is scum? I’m reluctant to vote there because he was constantly being scumread and wagoned in Overkill 1. So, how is he more likely to be scum here, than in that game?

[profii]

But sure, lynch me. This game was unpleasant with 5 players spamming the other 21 of us into prod dodge play and I don't see my enjoyment of it increasing any time soon

This is the only majiffy comment that kinda bothered me in ISO, prolly not gonna vote here.

[Varsoon]

Didn't like his play regarding RCE and voting there--doesn't feel very genuine or like Bujab is trying to figure out the game at all.
I'd probably have put my vote elsewhere but Bujaber kind of slinked away the second the focus wasn't on them, which, in this game, rings as really slimy.
It's not even as if they're V/LA due to holidays or anything, because they have posted since, but their posts were so empty and weightless; lots of promises to do stuff they haven't done, calls me a sheep of DGB but never goes full-swing with DGB criticism for the naked vote, lots of talk about stuff that has no game impact.

Basically fits exactly the MO of what I think scum would have here and I don't wanna back down from this. I think it's a good wagon.

[DrewVa]

I do better at building townblocks, so RR, Farside/Alonzo, Alchemist21, Mala, Cheeky, Amzela, Profii.

In addition to Varsoon, Fortian, hebi, Pint, Tails, FL role crumb makes me think he could be town.

maybe Gamma, Bujaber as well?

@Nancy, can you talk to me about Alchemist and Profii townreads?

Also what did you see from Bujaber that looked AI? -D

[DrewVa]

This is the only majiffy comment that kinda bothered me in ISO, prolly not gonna vote here.

Although I don't think I'm great at reading Profii, I'm still leaning scum here

doesn't feel very genuine or like Bujab is trying to figure out the game at all.

Kinda with Varsoon here so far

Also I think Majiffy's push on Buj isn't that bad tbh -D

[profii]

VOTE: Bujaber
im gonna sheep this because it will probably help me sort BuJ and I can't put my thoughts on Wisdom into coherent sentences yet

[DrewVa]

Only people who haven't played a lot with Creature ask this question. As a general rule: is creature posting? If yes, town. If no, scum.

If Creature comes back and ups his game, I'll take back my vote. But this is textbook scum creature.

This is surface level thinking from Chickadee and also untrue, although I don't know scum would be this lazy in their push on Creature so not sure it makes her scum. Chick, if you're town, do actually try to sort Creature based on play. -D

[DrewVa]

VOTE:VARSOON

For faking day actions

Does Alonzo actually give a F that Varoon faked a day action? I'm trying to think of any point in any game where Alonzo voted someone for a reason as lazy as this. Alonzo, have you been replaced by a doppelganger Alonzo? Is that why you keep doing Arnie quotes? -D

[davesaz]

I'm at the bottom of 38.
I see someone else has finally picked up on DGB being obvscum.
It was me who brought up profii's read list as scummy.

@RR: "histrionics" is to woman as "n-word" is to black. Capish? (well, maybe not that strong an analogy, but yes there is that general type of word association involved)

I can read a few more pages, then need to participate in some quasi-shopping activity.

[Wisdom]

how is dgb obvscum
isnt she always like thisqq

[Wisdom]

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[davesaz]

Bottom of 40 -- looks like hatchet is buried so my previous post was unnecessary.

[davesaz]

Sorry, couldn't keep it up until a votecount.
I think we've also got literally everything we'd get out of the gambit and also Profii is for sure town.

You don't think profii is capable of doing this as scum?