[Game Over] Newbie 1900 - Robocalypse

[Auro]

volxen (L-3)

: Flavor Leaf, Auro

Flavor Leaf (L-3)

: Ariane, volxen

Auro (L-4)

: snowbeast

Lamees (L-4)

: Not_Mafia

Ariane (L-4)

: YurikoJasmine

lionheart1492, Lamees

What you say is correct, BUT - your vote was still on me through the buildup to L-1, even when you found FL doing things that weren't pinging you right.

Isolated, this wouldn't count -- you would simply be pressuring me and I agree it got from L-4 to L-1 pretty fast.

But pressure became "lynch target" somewhere along that line, and when it came to L-1, you could *see* that the rest of my wagon wasn't exactly casing me all that strongly, you kept pushing there.

Chuck the whole wagon-motivation arguments, those are weak for town anyway since my alignment isn't known to town either way, as you point out. I've called you out on the FL vote change and lack of honest engagement, and the non-scumhunting that I'd expect town Volxen to do. Respond to those. Change my mind.

[Auro]

Sheep Lamees blindly to get townread by her, and call out her scummy plays to get scumread.

[Lamees]

I already said why I was town reading him before the vote. The town slip. Not confirmed but there is evidence to believe it was a town slip.

[Auro]

And you're nulling Volxen because I'm pushing him?
Or something to do with the case itself?
What, precisely?

[Lamees]

I cant see any scum or town vibes from him. Sure he tried to lynch you. Town needs to lynch too.

[Auro]

"He tried to lunch me*
Do you think this is the basis of the case on him?

[Lamees]

@auro why do you scum read snowbeast? Why out of no where do you suggest a lynch on him? Do you think that wasn't a town slip?

[Lamees]

"He tried to lunch me*
Do you think this is the basis of the case on him?

Pretty much. I remember you pushing a pressure wagon on him. Didnt someone (maybe even you yourself) say that he passed that pressure stuff? Because the wagon on him dissolved. It picked up again because you almost got lynched.

[Lamees]

Also FL every game somehow manages to break up an L-1 wagon all by himself. If you are scum just pocket FL. He will save your ass.

GOAT

[Auro]

FMPOV and off the top of my head, scumread on Snowbeast because:
Fluff, no vote till post 270,the Not_Mafia vote without reading other posts, sheeping your reads list (which I find bad currently), hopping onto my wagon at L-2 blindly, "scum would do this | I would do that if I were scum" posts.

Like pretty unsure and confused about everything but ready to sheep you readily. *Ping*

[Auro]

"He tried to lunch me*
Do you think this is the basis of the case on him?

Pretty much. I remember you pushing a pressure wagon on him. Didnt someone (maybe even you yourself) say that he passed that pressure stuff? Because the wagon on him dissolved. It picked up again because you almost got lynched.

You're not bothering to read my posts then.
I'm casing him independently of his presence on my wagon.

[Auro]

Because the wagon on him dissolved. It picked up again because you almost got lynched.

Incorrect. There was never a wagon on him, I was the only vote IIRC. I disbanded the single person wagon myself, and not because I was satisfied with his reactions. I picked it up again because his later posts have been far from satisfying, and I changed my mind on the FL vote.

[Lamees]

FMPOV and off the top of my head, scumread on Snowbeast because:
Fluff, no vote till post 270,the Not_Mafia vote without reading other posts, sheeping your reads list (which I find bad currently), hopping onto my wagon at L-2 blindly, "scum would do this | I would do that if I were scum" posts.

Like pretty unsure and confused about everything but ready to sheep you readily. *Ping*

You're leaving out the part where he didn't even sheep me in the first place. He voted someone else. You and I were the one who said he should vote for you, only then he did that.

Also I don't see scum in your reasons mentioned in this paragraph.

I mean I could take any iso and put it in paragraph form and attach "and that's why I scum read this player".

What do you think if his "town slip"

[Auro]

He voted Not_Mafia, who you were obvscumming for a long time. May not be "sheeping", but still a careless vote. He quoted your reads list and said he's on the same page as you -- without any original thought of his own -- that's sheeping.

It's okay if those reasons don't ping you as necessarily scummy -- they're not very solid anyway. He doesn't seem to be all that original and gamesolvey too, not a great asset to town.

Newbie scum can easily fake town slips, and can also be coached into them, so null to me.

[Performer]

I did. And I dont see a reason to answer the hypothetical.

Btw, scum team, PLEASE PLEASE NIGHT KILL NOT_MAFIA. PLEASE. Well if he is in fact on the scum team himself I guess we lost already lol.

LOL! Lames, you seem familiar with nm. anyone familiar with nm knows hes not a likely nk, but neither am I
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skimmed what happened so far including a few posts from FL iso and pgs to pg 10 only.
tr: FL/auro/lames/lionheart

i agree that nm unvoting in certain situations, means hes likelier town. saw him do this in our micro game moderated by rob14. can someone show me where nm unvoted though - I dont think I caught up to that point yet?

[Auro]

Unvoting auro there is the scummiest move in history tbh

UNVOTE:

This is the opposite of true

Why does scum Flavour Leaf risk destabilising that wagon?

[Performer]

Yo scumformer

Yo perfscummer.

Yo scum partners. I claim third-mafia-goon enabler.

performer how long from now will that be—can you give an estimate in hours?

.........why ask me this question out of all questions? I did state that I should have time to catch up today , and here I am.

[Performer]

Unvoting auro there is the scummiest move in history tbh

UNVOTE:

This is the opposite of true

Why does scum Flavour Leaf risk destabilising that wagon?

thnks auro, and Lames' post of nm unvoting , makes me wonder about her alignment now. continuing the catchup, but i cant promise anything.

[Auro]

Oh you're misreading that -- she was referring to Flavor Leaf unvoting me. Not_Mafia then unvoted Flavor Leaf.

[Performer]

oh i thought you were replying to me about nm unvoting. nvm then.

[Auro]

I was, the post I quoted was NM unvoting. The inner quote was Lamees calling FL's unvote scummy.

[Performer]

Volxen, what do you make of the whole FL-Me-Lamees interactions? Are you scumreading me?

None of you, Lamees, or FL are townreads for me. I’m still highly skeptical of all three of you.

In FL’s case, I’m not sure his motives in voting for Not_Mafia are as honest as he claims them to be. He’s claiming here that his vote for Not_Mafia was a reaction test: the idea being that if enough people sheeped him, he would likely find scum among those who joined him on the Not_Mafia wagon. If he’s town then such a reaction test makes sense, as Not_Mafia is arguably low hanging fruit in this game (a low content poster who is unlikely to really defend himself), and a flashwagon against Not_Mafia would have been highly suspect.

On the other hand, if FL is scum and Not_Mafia is town then getting said flashwagon against Not_Mafia would be precisely his goal, and if it led to Not_Mafia actually being lynched, then on day 2 after Not_Mafia flips town, FL can start to go after the people who sheeped him onto Not_Mafia’s wagon, and potentially line up the next mislynch from that group.

Reactions tests are a thing, but if FL is scum it gives him an easy out because when questioned about his vote for Not_Mafia he can just say, “Oh, I was just waiting to see if anyone would sheep me on the wagon so I can catch scum”, when the real reason for the vote was to push for an easy lynch against Not_Mafia, which he then quickly abandoned after realizing it wasn’t going to happen.

In general, if someone does something that’s sketchy and then claims after the fact that it was just a reaction test, I’m going to be very skeptical of that unless it’s coming from someone that I already strongly townread.

The only player in this game that I feel is truly towny at this point is Lion. And even that is more of a townlean than a full-blown strong townread. As I mentioned before, I didn’t like his early game vote and attack against Yuirko for her “Why Lamees?” question, and his subsequent vote and attack against me for supposedly engaging in “fearmongering”. However, in the process of our back-and-forth conversation, he reassessed his read of me in light of new information. He is still skeptical of my slot, but he conceded that everything I said could be coming from the perspective of town!me, which gives at least some indication that he wants to sort my slot as opposed to just wanting to push a lynch through. He could be faking it, but it came across like a genuine reassessment of his read on my slot based on new information, which is towny.

So basically Lion is somewhat towny, and I am highly skeptical of everyone else.

I’m not sure yet where I want to place my vote at the moment. I feel like I need to reread the last several pages, or perhaps the whole game, and see which one of you (everyone besides Lion) has the most scum equity currently.

this is a bizarre post. mentioned auro , lames, FL weren't tr, skeptical of everyone other than lionheart. And the last sentence seems like fence sitting.

Also, my predecessor with that self vote....

[Performer]

I was, the post I quoted was NM unvoting. The inner quote was Lamees calling FL's unvote scummy.

oh I get it now.

iirc, lames is a weird player.

[Performer]

@Flavour Leaf what do you think of my vote?

why did you ask him of all people?

Auro lynch is bad

Not_Mafia quickhammering won't be NAI here, thanks to above quote.

I see now. auro was L-1, nm didn't quick hammer.

I aint hammering, this is a blatantly scum motivated wagon

+1 to nm as town

I will take full responsibility if auro flips green. He won't but in the rare case he does.

i dont understand why you take full responsibility if auro flips green.

[Performer]

up to pg 13, need to get food because im hungry.

sr (partly due to poe): ariane/snow/volx