Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[DrewVa]

{Fortain, Profii, Chick, Gamma, Varsoon}
{Fish, DrippingGoofball, RR, DrewVa, Pint}
{Davesaz, Amzela, Toog (as 3p), Mala, Alonzo, Tails}
{Flavorleaf, Creature, Hebi, Wisdom, RCEnigma}
{Thor, Alchemist, Majiffy, BuJaber}

I like most of your reads. You and DVa have the Alchemist21 so low. Am I missing something with my read?

Anyway, strengthening my townreads on you and Mala.

Adding you both to my hardtown core of Varsoon, Fortian, RR, Profii. Oh why is DGB so high and Majiffy so low, since they are on the same wagon?

[Alonzo]

Ok prepare to be amazed:

{Farside/Alonzo, Fortain, Profii}
{Fish, Chick, Gamma, Hebichan, Pint, RCE, Tails, Varsoon, Wisdom, RR}
{Creature, Davesaz, Malakitty}
{BuJaber, Flavorleaf, Alchemist, Majiffy, Thor}
{Amzela, DrippingGoofball, DrewVa}

{Fortain, Profii, Chick, Gamma, Varsoon}
{Fish, DrippingGoofball, RR, DrewVa, Pint}
{Davesaz, Amzela, Toog (as 3p), Mala, Alonzo, Tails}
{Flavorleaf, Creature, Hebi, Wisdom, RCEnigma}
{Thor, Alchemist, Majiffy, BuJaber}

How did you let one of your strongest townreads fall all the way down your list without pushing them?

[DrewVa]

Chickadee hasn't shot anyone yet, that could be a scumtell...

[Chickadee]

So Chickadee, I see you're voting creature for lack of presence. Why his lack of presence specifically? And not say, Drip, or majiffy, or thor.

P.edit:

Or Mala who I forgot was in this game.

Because I find sorting Creature easy, and sorting Creature has always largely been dependent on activity.

I'm not familiar with DGB, so I'm giving that slot time to see what other people come up with, and what that slot does.
I'll sort Majiffy before days end. Of that I'm sure. I've never sorted Majiffy incorrectly.
I've played a few games with Thor, but don't feel confident in reading him atm.

So with Creature I go.

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

.......

Ugh toog that just ruined my TR on you

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Oh?

This seems an odd reason to lose a TR

I disagree. I think it's a perfectly acceptable reason to lose a town read. It's an odd post.

Yeah I'm on antibiotics right now and my cough has gotten much much better
<3

Good!

I'm probably only a few days behind you...

D:

[Chickadee]

And now I go.

Sorry guys, I'm still sick, and I've been stretching myself real thin this week. I just got home from work, and I just don't have this in me at this moment.

[Fortian]

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

So Chickadee, I see you're voting creature for lack of presence. Why his lack of presence specifically? And not say, Drip, or majiffy, or thor.

You don't have to respond to this until after Chick responds to (or even at all I guess since I'm not exactly asking a question), but I'm surprised that out of all the questions you could ask anyone about anything, you've chosen to ask Chickadee this question.

-DV

Should I not engage chickadee?

The reason for my surprise was that the answer to your question seemed fairly clear from what Chickadee had already posted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so after digging through a few DGB games...

Town:

Mini 2020 Starts off similar to here but gets invested in sorting a few scum reads also. Intent becomes clearer as the game progresses.

Transformers Mafia Similar to here but we're again missing a "scum detected" post. Looks like DGB lurked themselves dead.

Mini 619 - House Mafia Constantly softs that they are a PR. Much more active and engaged, was the lylo mislynch.

Scum:

Steven Universe 2 Much more question orientated vs stating opinions. Phrases Town reads differently. Looks nothing like the other town games.

I think it's likely this game is more in line with DGB's town meta. I see they are often mislynched/left until lylo as town. Though we're missing the certain aggressive tunnels I saw in a couple of town games, I think the attitude of nonchalance is stil strongly town/3p indicative here.

VOTE: Thor

If we’re gonna take that road I’d think this resembles DGB’s scum game from my experience (The Thing Mafia as scum and turn of camn for town)

[Gamma Emerald]

Alchemist shoe me some gamesolving

[pinturicchio]

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

.......

Ugh toog that just ruined my TR on you

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Oh?

This seems an odd reason to lose a TR

Didn't want to say anything at the time, but I felt the same way. Why do you think is odd? I felt like he was remarking his alibi

[BuJaber]

What spurred the DGB votes?
From the last point I read she was just one of several lurkers. Why the wagon on her specifically.

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

DrippingGoofball (5):	davesaz (56),	BrightEyedFish (1089),	RCEnigma (1098),	pinturicchio (1099),	Amzela (1150),
BuJaber (4):	DrippingGoofball (609),	Varsoon (614),	Majiffy (631),	profii (1142),
RCEnigma (3):	Thor665 (61),	BuJaber (262),	Tails (477),
Majiffy (2):	Wisdom (1078),	hebichan (1083),
BrightEyedFish (1):	Alchemist21 (386),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Alonzo (440),
Chickadee (1):	Fortian (830),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
Alonzo (1):	Gamma Emerald (897),
Creature (1):	Chickadee (1090),
Thor665 (1):	CheekyTeeky (1174),
Flavor Leaf (1):	Malakitty (1178),
Not voting (4):	Creature,	Toogeloo,	Flavor Leaf (416),	DrewVa (1136),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[Wisdom]

dont like any of these wagons

[Wisdom]

Creature, Alchemist, Chick, Thor, Cheeky, BEF, Majiffy, Amzela

people i could vote in no specific order

the rest not really

[Fortian]

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

.......

Ugh toog that just ruined my TR on you

:\

Oh?

This seems an odd reason to lose a TR

Didn't want to say anything at the time, but I felt the same way. Why do you think is odd? I felt like he was remarking his alibi

A large part of our reason for townreading Toog is how he has reacted to his role. It made sense for him to claim his role to the town, but it appeared that even after that Toog was still struggling to work out how to best play given the limitations of his role in a way that was pretty transparent and much less likely to come from scum imo. It also makes total sense that Toog would be interested in the fact that his role is actually based on an existing wiki role because he’s clearly been quite puzzled by the whole thing.

-DV

[pinturicchio]

About the reaction to his role: yes, I agree, I didn't say anything at the time 'cause I wanted to see how he played along with his claim, so I'm more convinced now that he's telling the truth. About being interested in the fact that his role exists: makes sense, I didn't think about him being puzzled, but I can see it.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist shoe me some gamesolving

Meh, give it time. Nothing else has stuck out to me so far aside from what I’ve said before. I’d normally think 5 votes on DGB like this meant 1 or 2 scum were definitely there but with 26 slots and 14 votes to lynch, 5 votes isn’t as big as it sounds.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ok so after digging through a few DGB games...

Town:

Mini 2020 Starts off similar to here but gets invested in sorting a few scum reads also. Intent becomes clearer as the game progresses.

Transformers Mafia Similar to here but we're again missing a "scum detected" post. Looks like DGB lurked themselves dead.

Mini 619 - House Mafia Constantly softs that they are a PR. Much more active and engaged, was the lylo mislynch.

Scum:

Steven Universe 2 Much more question orientated vs stating opinions. Phrases Town reads differently. Looks nothing like the other town games.

I think it's likely this game is more in line with DGB's town meta. I see they are often mislynched/left until lylo as town. Though we're missing the certain aggressive tunnels I saw in a couple of town games, I think the attitude of nonchalance is stil strongly town/3p indicative here.

VOTE: Thor

Very important to note that in SU2 DGB was a traitor and did not know their teammates; her play there was more like 3P survivor with a loss if certain other slots died than her play might be as pure groupscum, which is something I don't think I've seen her as.

-Cerb

[DrewVa]

We still in RVS?

How about you vote for a wagon and we'll see

d'awww

You know, the nice thing about never playing more than one game at a time is that I don't forget what's going on in regards to me or other things I've been keeping tabs on. I'll almost assuredly never vote in this game until I am absolutely sure no voting shenanigans are afoot, and since I'm pretty well useless to the point of nearly being a Tree Stump, I'll likely be around a while. Problem is, the game gets hard to get invested in when you can't vote, so I found myself glazing over the last 3 pages or so and not really giving a fuck.

I'm mostly just curious how many "serious" votes there are out there, and how many are just sheeps and creeps.

You asked an unnecessary question you should know the answer to. If you are town you can still contribute without voting. I was sympathetic to you getting the role, but you're going to have to pull your weight like the rest. Otherwise you look like 3rd party only interested in staying alive.

Sorry guys still busy atm will contribute later. BuJaber is there a reason you keep shading me without voting?

"Keep shading you" sounds worse than the reality. So it's you who's shading me... The first time I mentioned you it had nothing to do with your play. The guy who voted RR over you had seemingly more reasons in his post to suspect you than RR yet he voted RR, it was bad and needed addressing. The second time yeah it's worrying that you're not posting much this game given your usual tendency. However I'd rather keep my vote on RCE. I have more reasons to suspect him than you.

Is it just me but I did a comparison ISO of Bujaber in Overkill 1 and this game, and he seems quite different here. In Overkill 1, he was more laid back and reflective. In this game, he seems to be almost taking charge?

In Overkill 1, he seemed far more focused on finding clues and how to accurately read the gamestate. Here, in contrast, he seems to be way more focused on pushing people for things that seem pretty much NAI to me.

If this is relevant, I saw the same difference in posting in Marquis’ town and scum games - except that with Marquis, it was a lot more obvious.

Bujaber, why are you coming across more aggressive in this game?

Anyway, I think Toogeloo is town here, because he sounds sincere about his role.

[DrewVa]

I was just trolled

I could swear this was the day

Creature, if your town here, in a game with fake claims, you can’t just expect to coast on flavour crumbs.

[davesaz]

I'm kinda getting tired of letting Creature coast on posting = town. Some genuine scumhunting would be nice.

[hebichan]

Looking through the past few pages. I have been keeping up reading but I really don't have much to add.

Majiffy has said they have no plans to put effort in the game. DGB at least has the motivation. So I feel like majiffy is still the right vote.

Creature also is pretty weak right now, yeah.

Don't feel like voting on amzela quite yet, since she seems petty new.

I guess I could vote on majiffy or creature and I don't feel strongly on anyone else.

[BuJaber]

Bujaber, why are you coming across more aggressive in this game?

I wasn't received very well in overkill 1.

I don't think people should let playstyle affect their reads but they do anyway. If my usual playstyle comes across as unsure and scummy, I'll try to find a new style.

[BuJaber]

Haven't finished reading but so far varsoon and majiffy really don't seem like they're reading very well.

Varsoon keeps mistaking posts adressed to othrs as adressed to him, like when I called majiffy a sheep.

And majiffy because nobody who read my interactions with RCE coild possibly think my vote was a simple wagon hop. Doesn't seem like he's actually reading just wanted an easy target and picked on the latest vote on RCE at the time. I think he's scum, possibly protecting his partner. VOTE: majiffy

RR has talked a lot more than I remember so I'm sorry about the activity comment.. your case on hebichan is interesting. I'll look into it further when it's time for hebi's ISO read but it's important to note that chick kinda defended her and there might be a connection there.

[RCEnigma]

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

So Chickadee, I see you're voting creature for lack of presence. Why his lack of presence specifically? And not say, Drip, or majiffy, or thor.

You don't have to respond to this until after Chick responds to (or even at all I guess since I'm not exactly asking a question), but I'm surprised that out of all the questions you could ask anyone about anything, you've chosen to ask Chickadee this question.

-DV

Should I not engage chickadee?

The reason for my surprise was that the answer to your question seemed fairly clear from what Chickadee had already posted.

She explained why she thought creature could be scum, unless he posted. But not why that can't apply to any other slots.

I was just curious why wagons based on lack of activity formed on DGB and Majiffy but other slots with the same behavior are being shielded or avoided. Like Thor and Creature.

[RCEnigma]

Yes, everyone's my partner Buj....