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[DVa]

So you JK'd A50 on the assumption he makes the kill? Because it obviously wasn't a protective JK. and you jailed A50 over the mason claims?

[OkaPoka]

Can we discuss the idea of a mass claim tho ?

[DVa]

We're basically already there.

Why did Nako want mass claim and why did you want popcorn?

[DVa]

Why did you JK me last night? You again think I make the kill?

[OkaPoka]

huh?

[DVa]

I'm lowkey wondering whether claiming a jail action on me is a scumclaim but I don't know how we explain A50 being alive if he's scum JK/RB

[Mewtaph]

Yup. I considered JKing Nako but ended on trying to go for a blocking JK. I didn't think that scum would make the "obvious" kill of Joey_ when the mason claim was still around, and tbh I felt like I was fine with losing Kokichi if they wanted to shoot them over Joey_ in the mason claims.

[DVa]

Or why did you want hypoclaim d2 Oka?

[OkaPoka]

I hold the belief that we can kinda break every setup with a hypoclaim if we play it right.

[Mewtaph]

I JKed you because I didn't like how you played around me being Ascetic/Non-Ascetic. I thought that if you were scum you would probably be the least suspected of the last two mafia in your group. Also you might have been the NK but that was definitely secondary.

[DVa]

Just for the record I fucking love playing scum, and am much less likely to flake when I'm scum.

You're saying you disengage when you're an ungated vig? Because I find that hard to believe personally

[DVa]

I hold the belief that we can kinda break every setup with a hypoclaim if we play it right.

??? what about mountainous?

[OkaPoka]

I'll qualify: we can put ourselves at a massive advantage in setups that involve prs.

[OkaPoka]

I don't know if this would count as encryption but I could see a possible way in which it benefits town.

Someone would have to create an extremely comprehensive spreadsheet with every possible action and result.

for example if you are cop and you targeted the third player with a return of guilty, you would submit something like 3(target third player) 2 (guilty). But since some roles have more inputs and outputs than others like PGOs vs a JOAT vs multitasker, you would submit a string of numbers based on the spreadsheet like 3512 and thus if you die, by checking the spreadsheet, the 5 and 1 would be ultimately meaningless, but the spreadsheet would say only the first and fourth characters of the string of relevance for cops while it isn't worth it for scum to check out all the possible combinations for outputs because vanilla would just submit random strings etc. Ideally your string would be 100 characters long or more with numbers, symbols, and letters and then specific roles have unique locations that matter. Also in this ideal world, everyone thinks carefully about what they submit so they don't make it obvious with a string like 5AAAAAAAAAA4AAAAAAAA1 vs 5asd39x2nm5a4adm0321 if you know what I mean.

it might be a gray area because its another layer of hypoclaiming with an extra layer of obscurity and the "encryption key" would be your role. but really isnt hypoclaiming just an easier to solve level of encryption.

dont know if that was understandable

and if the above counts as encryption i have a way to bypass it.

someone would have to come up with a way to generate every single role's actions and results and shit.

then write a program in which you input what you actually did so for ex: I am Cop and I targeted Person A, getting the result of guilty.

Then the program would spit that out along with every single role in the game and a randomized actions with a randomized result, jumble up the order.

thus its no longer encryption i believe.

im not good at programming but i think is doable with normal game queue setups


edit: not random as in 50/50 for cop guilties either, it should be weighted

so this is my full theory on how we should do hypoclaiming but then someone already hypoclaimed so i figured whatever ill do hypoclaim because leaving one person out to dry is kinda negative. but this was the idea i had hoped we would get to discuss.

[Mewtaph]

I'm pretty sure I saw something similar reading another game and it was classified as encryption.

[OkaPoka]

second example wouldn't tho right?

everyone literally hypoclaims hundreds of possibilities

[OkaPoka]

then we shorten the hypoclaim words into one character each, maybe some character mean extra things, mush the characters together, add a couple random fillers etc.

language is encryption kinda amirite

[Sephiroth]

Just for the record I fucking love playing scum, and am much less likely to flake when I'm scum.

You're saying you disengage when you're an ungated vig? Because I find that hard to believe personally

Actually it makes me really anxious because I'm not good at finding scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

So

Gunsmith
Vig
JK
VT
VT
VT
???
???
???
???

Vs.

Goon
???
???

The setup seems balanced...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mew needs to claim a target in case we hit scum today, 1) so we can get a clear if 2 people die at night, 2) so vig doesn’t hit the target

[OkaPoka]

like claim beforehand or after the fact ?

[Gamma Emerald]

Claim a target for that scenario beforehand
If we hit scum he follows whatever he laid out, if we hit town he does whatever, though posting a range of targets is also a decent option for either scenario

[OkaPoka]

can we also just vote for who to have sephiroth to shoot

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW DVa needs to claim now because as I see it her roleblocked claim is a red flag

[Gamma Emerald]

can we also just vote for who to have sephiroth to shoot

As for this I guess but it’s not as important as it doesn’t have the same PoE powers