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[Wisdom]

there is no such thing as "lack of associatives"
Kokichi can easily be scum with anyone

[Wisdom]

now please stop playing like a newbie and look at kokichi's play itself

[Celestial Coordinates]

Has anyone answered me why they think TiC is town

Cause I’m fairly confident at this point it’s blatantly TiC/Koki

How can any of the remaining slots be town it like it doesn't make sense to me how all of you played so bad

I overcommitted. I’ve got too much in my life to play a game this large. Hence I look drunk.

Creature is just pretty blatant genuine town but whatever makes you not lynch him idc

I think molla may have scumslipped here. If molla flips red, then Creature would be spewed town by molla townlocking him.

Scum probably decided that only one of them can survive and molla decided to sacrifice himself for Creature.

At any rate, if Kokichi is scum, he is never scum with Creature.

Creature is either town or been coached.

[Celestial Coordinates]

So I've decided
VOTE: BBmolla

Votecount 1.09

shortaru :
Carcalilly:
SirCakez:
Fuwa Fuwa Time (3): ThoseInCharge, Creature, Carcalilly
Gamma Emerald : Thor665
Thor665 (3): Celestial Coordinates, shortaru, SirCakez
Celestial Coordinates:
ThoseInCharge (5): Wisdom, Flubbernugget, Gamma Emerald, BBmolla, Fuwa Fuwa Time
Flubbernugget:
Creature: Akarin
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting : no one
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-07 16:12:53)

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Moderator notes: Akarin failed to pick up their prod, searching for replacement at the moment

Votecount 1.10

shortaru :
Carcalilly:
SirCakez:
Fuwa Fuwa Time (3): ThoseInCharge, Creature, Carcalilly
Gamma Emerald : Thor665
Thor665 (2): Celestial Coordinates, SirCakez
Celestial Coordinates:
ThoseInCharge (6): Wisdom, Flubbernugget, Gamma Emerald, BBmolla, Fuwa Fuwa Time, shortaru
Flubbernugget:
Creature: Akarin
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting : no one
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-08 16:12:53)

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Moderator notes: In the search for a replacement, the deadline has been extended an additional 24 hours. In addition, Creature & BBmolla have been prodded.
You can find the comprehensive game notes in post 1

Kokichi Oma replaces Akarin

Votecount 1.11

shortaru :
Carcalilly:
SirCakez:
Fuwa Fuwa Time : Creature
Gamma Emerald : Thor665
Thor665 (6): Celestial Coordinates, SirCakez, shortaru, ThoseInCharge, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom
Celestial Coordinates:
ThoseInCharge (4): Flubbernugget, BBmolla, Fuwa Fuwa Time, Carcalilly
Flubbernugget:
Creature: Akarin
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Akarin:


Not voting : no one
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-08 16:12:53)

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Moderator notes: none at the moment

Votecount 1.12

shortaru :
Carcalilly (2): Celestial Coordinates, shortaru
SirCakez : Wisdom
Fuwa Fuwa Time : Creature
Gamma Emerald : Thor665
Thor665 (3): SirCakez, ThoseInCharge, Gamma Emerald
Celestial Coordinates:
ThoseInCharge (4): Flubbernugget, BBmolla, Fuwa Fuwa Time, Carcalilly
Flubbernugget:
Creature: Kokichi Oma
BBmolla:
Wisdom:
Kokichi Oma:


Not voting : no one
No lynch: no one
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on (expired on 2018-11-08 16:12:53)

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Moderator notes: Creature shall be replaced if he doesn't pick up his prod by tonight PST on 11/7! For more game notes, see post 1

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I was thinking about these votecounts, and what caught my eye was Creature and the Kokichi slot being off both wagons. Which means that if Creature and Kokichi are the remaining scum, there are no scum on their partner or their counterwagon, which I find very weird.
Hence a Creature/Kokichi team is unlikely here, so under my current PoE BBmolla is likely scum.

That doesn’t explain why you’d vote molla over obvscum like Creature.

This vote is weird to me. It’s one thing to think molla is scum and entirely different to vote him here. Creature should be the obvious lynch today, not molla.

Especially, if you are convinced Creature is obvscum.

Creature is much higher scum equity than molla. Why would you not vote him here?

Molla is probable scum but not lockscum, as is Creature.

Why would you risk a possible mislynch here?

I'm not lockscuming Creature.

I think the remaining scum are in {BBmolla, Creature, Kokichi Oma}. Since I think it's not Creature/Koki, it's either BB/Creature or BB/Koki, hence the BBmolla vote.

Apparently only Wisdom can’t see that there’s no way Creature and Kokichi are ever w/w here. Scum!Creature doesn’t set up his partner the way he has set him up, with the Cakes’ mailman/Kokichi vote thing, which doesn’t even come close to implicating Kokichi at all.

Molla is also accusing Kokichi of being scum. I think it’s molla/Creature. Scum doesn’t throw their partner under the bus at this stage, other than for self-pres.

[Creature]

Do you consider Kokichi a lurker this game?

yes

Wisdom you know that I'm known for posting more as scum than town so what are you even doing at this point

This

[Creature]

though I am unsure if Kokichi was a lurker this game

[Creature]

Everyone but us, has thrown him under the bus, apparently including his partner. Why does that not concern you at all?

Because scum actually bus?

[Creature]

also there's a large difference between having someone as a scum candidate (but not priority) and actually going "yeah we gotta lynch this guy"

[Celestial Coordinates]

there is no such thing as "lack of associatives"
Kokichi can easily be scum with anyone

Yes there is. Unless there is a martyr or multiball, there are always associatives. But the most unlikely scum pairing with Kokichi is Creature.

Scum usually doesn’t push the same player to avoid linking, so molla/Kokichi unlikely because they both have pushed TIC.

TIC is unlikely to be scum due to Thor hardtowning them. Scum rarely hardtowns their partner to avoid later associations from future flips. Hardtowning a buddy makes it next to impossible to ever bus them, if need be.

Molla locktowning Creature, either makes him w/w with Creature or w/v. But under no circumstances, does scum!Creature ever set up his partner the way he has with Kokichi and it doesn’t even implicate him at all.

Once Cakes claimed, it would have been in scum!Kokichi’s best interest to fight the Cakes’ mislynch, not to encourage it. Why? Because Cakes’ flip obviously makes Kokichi look bad if he’s scum mailman for obvious reasons.

[Kokichi Oma]

Ehhhh.

VOTE: bbmolla

This is likely to get more traction than tic

[Creature]

TIC is unlikely to be scum due to Thor hardtowning them. Scum rarely hardtowns their partner to avoid later associations from future flips. Hardtowning a buddy makes it next to impossible to ever bus them, if need be.

I know it sounds funny, but I was hardtowning Thor.

[Creature]

Also yeah, I'm never w/w with Kokichi

[Creature]

I feel better doing BBmolla today

[Celestial Coordinates]

I disagree that scum doesn’t try to save you here. With Thor flip, I think the only reason scum busses at this point, is self-pres.

Sure, they could decide to save their partner, but the current claims allow scum to safely bus here. It's not Epic Duel again.

It doesn’t really make much sense for anyone to bus - other then you and molla and if you flipped red, molla was dunzo and he knows it.

Thor hardtowning TIC makes no sense if they’re w/w but molla hardtowning you OTOH makes perfect sense if he and you are.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Do you consider Kokichi a lurker this game?

yes

Wisdom you know that I'm known for posting more as scum than town so what are you even doing at this point

This

Are you defending Kokichi now?

[Celestial Coordinates]

though I am unsure if Kokichi was a lurker this game

What?

[Celestial Coordinates]

TIC is unlikely to be scum due to Thor hardtowning them. Scum rarely hardtowns their partner to avoid later associations from future flips. Hardtowning a buddy makes it next to impossible to ever bus them, if need be.

I know it sounds funny, but I was hardtowning Thor.

This doesn’t apply, since he flipped scum.

[Wisdom]

Do you consider Kokichi a lurker this game?

yes

Wisdom you know that I'm known for posting more as scum than town so what are you even doing at this point

This

What "this", creature?
Why are you misrepping me?
Did i say kokichi is scum because of lurking?

[Wisdom]

rc can you please tell nancy to shut up

[Celestial Coordinates]

I feel better doing BBmolla today

If molla decided to eat a lynch, it doesn’t clear you.

If molla were to flip green, who would you want to lynch next?

If molla flips red, who do you think his partner is?

Molla pushing TIC/Kokichi makes me think that he is never scum with Kokichi, so I think molla red flip confirms Kokichi town.

[Celestial Coordinates]

rc can you please tell nancy to shut up

No you.

I no longer trust your ability to accurately meta read Kokichi.

[Wisdom]

You dont have the ability to read anyone
You make random baseless conclusions that a newbie would make
People are not robots
Just stop posting

[Celestial Coordinates]

Wisdom, I am not going to allow you to lose this game for us by pushing a probable Kokichi mislynch. The only one who is not lock clear who isn’t pushing him is Gamma and Gamma has definitely been townier than either molla or Creature.

Get it through your thick head, Kokichi is extremely unlikely to be scum here with anyone but Gamma and that obviously makes no sense whatsoever.

So Kokichi is probably town.

[Celestial Coordinates]

You dont have the ability to read anyone
You make random baseless conclusions that a newbie would make
People are not robots
Just stop posting

Stop telling me what to do! You can’t see what everyone else is seeing wrt to Creature/Kokichi. If anyone needs to stop posting, it’s you. You aren’t helping anything.

[Wisdom]

please dont join any future game with me. I will pl you if you do.