He doesn't need to confirm arthur if he already has the sword, he's not going anywhereIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How can we be certain that scum doesn’t kill Merlin BEFORE he can confirm Arthur?
Agree with Dunnstral here for now. If the sword-holder is going to shoot anyway, there's no utility in Merlin coming out.In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
Early townread on DVa as well.In post 198, DVa wrote:I'm blown away that you think useless fights won't kill player interest but 7 pages of opening discussion willIn post 191, SirCakez wrote:useless fights are gonna be more useful in the scumhunting game though
Gladiations immediately limit town scumhunting potential and lock the dayphase into two people. That will nuke *my* interest in the game if people start doing it, which is precisely why I want town to be aware that yolo-dueling will result in the yoloing player getting lynched every time. There is nothing more boring to me than seeing two townreads gladiate each other because one had a momentary fleeting thought that the other was scum.
Town doing shitty gladiates on other town is pretty much the foundation of the scum wincon here because the gladiation mechanic will mean that until the lynch goes through they don't have to commit to any other read on any other player and can coast--and town will want to coast too. Basically gladiations force the town to come to standstill until someone dies.
How does Merlin get confirmed without confirming Arthur?In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
If one person grabs the sword and never tries to shoot it, then arthur never gets ahold of it in the first place thoughIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Unless, you’re suggesting that anyone who has the sword must also attrmpt to vig? But since this is not a desperado role, that only results in dead townies, so having Merlin confirm Arthur after he already has the sword makes sense, doesn’t it?
I mean after Arthur's outed, they can only just claim to be Merlin. Premise being that scum wouldn't fakeclaim/counterclaim Merlin.In post 203, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How does Merlin get confirmed without confirming Arthur?In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
They don't until we're near the end of the game, before mylo/lyloIn post 203, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How does Merlin get confirmed without confirming Arthur?In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
i'd consider scumhunting to be declaring reads, pushing people, analysis of player posts, etcIn post 197, Auro wrote:In post 191, SirCakez wrote:I'm through pg 6 and auro has the most posts in the game by far but zero scumhunting, I don't count random questions. c'mon bro where's it at
certain other players (COUGH nancy COUGH) are guilty here too but not as badly
i don't think this is necessarily scummy but it's also not really helpful and honestly I think this massive setup discussion is gonna severely murder the motivation of the other 2/3 of the game playerlist because it's a ton of reading that is really hard to read unless you can really follow (and I couldn't, maybe I'm just an idiot tho)
that was up there for the most useless 7 pages I've ever read, at least to me. setup fiends will love it. i'm sure FG is loving it lol
i don't think i've ever read the words arthur, merlin or gladiate more beforeWhat do you count as scumhunting then? I did make a cursory townread on Nancy, is that too 'random' for you too? I prefer to 'scumhunt' through engagement and questions, not outright-accusations.
I'll shut up with my attempts to figure a good strategy if town would rather just ignore it or not read it. If what you're saying is true, sure.
You see absolutely 0 utility in mechanics discussion? What if I tell you that through the process, we could come up with a consensus strategy reliant on town cohesion, and follow through to maximize town chances?
????In post 198, DVa wrote:I'm blown away that you think useless fights won't kill player interest but 7 pages of opening discussion willIn post 191, SirCakez wrote:useless fights are gonna be more useful in the scumhunting game though
Gladiations immediately limit town scumhunting potential and lock the dayphase into two people. That will nuke *my* interest in the game if people start doing it, which is precisely why I want town to be aware that yolo-dueling will result in the yoloing player getting lynched every time. There is nothing more boring to me than seeing two townreads gladiate each other because one had a momentary fleeting thought that the other was scum.
Town doing shitty gladiates on other town is pretty much the foundation of the scum wincon here because the gladiation mechanic will mean that until the lynch goes through they don't have to commit to any other read on any other player and can coast--and town will want to coast too. Basically gladiations force the town to come to standstill until someone dies.
NO... Merlin is still confirmed town, we know there's only 1 merlin in the setup, regardless of what arthur is doing with the swordIn post 205, Auro wrote:I mean after Arthur's outed, they can only just claim to be Merlin.
Okay, I think DVa is town here, probably my strongest townread so far. Both this and the hurt tags idea, are far more likely to come from town than scum.In post 198, DVa wrote:I'm blown away that you think useless fights won't kill player interest but 7 pages of opening discussion willIn post 191, SirCakez wrote:useless fights are gonna be more useful in the scumhunting game though
Gladiations immediately limit town scumhunting potential and lock the dayphase into two people. That will nuke *my* interest in the game if people start doing it, which is precisely why I want town to be aware that yolo-dueling will result in the yoloing player getting lynched every time. There is nothing more boring to me than seeing two townreads gladiate each other because one had a momentary fleeting thought that the other was scum.
Town doing shitty gladiates on other town is pretty much the foundation of the scum wincon here because the gladiation mechanic will mean that until the lynch goes through they don't have to commit to any other read on any other player and can coast--and town will want to coast too. Basically gladiations force the town to come to standstill until someone dies.
I declared a townread on Nancy and DVa.In post 207, SirCakez wrote:i'd consider scumhunting to be declaring reads, pushing people, analysis of player posts, etc
I don't mind the setup talk and ofc I agree we need a good strategy, but I feel it's going in circles (i was skimming at certain points so this could be wrong) and rather spammy.
Of course "Merlin" is conftown, we don't know who Merlin is.In post 208, Dunnstral wrote:NO... Merlin is still confirmed town, we know there's only 1 merlin in the setup, regardless of what arthur is doing with the swordIn post 205, Auro wrote:I mean after Arthur's outed, they can only just claim to be Merlin.
Merlin outting means he dies next night - there's no protection for him, if he doesn't die he lives on as a hidden IC that scum have to look for
i'll take that kind of posting 1000x over your othersAuro wrote:I declared a townread on Nancy and DVa.In post 207, SirCakez wrote:i'd consider scumhunting to be declaring reads, pushing people, analysis of player posts, etc
I don't mind the setup talk and ofc I agree we need a good strategy, but I feel it's going in circles (i was skimming at certain points so this could be wrong) and rather spammy.
I'm "pushing" people to answer me through asking them questions.
There aren't enough posts to make a strong AI analysis on, anyway.
Scumlean on you for your weak shade of me not 'scumhunting', which is untrue even by your definitions.
It's not going in circles, I think it's useful, that it's spam is your opinion - which is prolly biased since you don't like mechanic discussions anyway.
Yes that’s the thing. I think whomever claims the sword should the following night, agree to maybe attempt a town consensus vig.In post 204, Dunnstral wrote:If one person grabs the sword and never tries to shoot it, then arthur never gets ahold of it in the first place thoughIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Unless, you’re suggesting that anyone who has the sword must also attrmpt to vig? But since this is not a desperado role, that only results in dead townies, so having Merlin confirm Arthur after he already has the sword makes sense, doesn’t it?
If they don't vig they're confirmed town, yes, which is useful in it's own right (in fact, if arthur never grabs the sword then we have, potentially, an additional confirmed town to narrow things down), BUT it also means we have less power to try to put the sword on other people
Disagree that it should be a directIn post 210, SirCakez wrote:like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I want
i don't see what you're implying w/the italicized policy lynchAuro wrote:Disagree that it should be a directIn post 210, SirCakez wrote:like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I wantPolicy Lynch, this almost feels like pre-emptive opportunism.
They would get confirmed once Arthur has the sword and they tell them to shoot and Arthur doesn’t die.In post 205, Auro wrote:I mean after Arthur's outed, they can only just claim to be Merlin. Premise being that scum wouldn't fakeclaim/counterclaim Merlin.In post 203, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:How does Merlin get confirmed without confirming Arthur?In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
Ah, nevermind - when you said "confirming Arthur" I read it as Merling having to confirm Arthur, not Arthur being confirmed to town. Sorry about that.In post 219, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:They would get confirmed once Arthur has the sword and they tell them to shoot and Arthur doesn’t die.
In post 216, Varsoon wrote:Ya'll are hard over-thinking this shit, which, imo, is what scum wants.
It's really fuckin' simple.
Everyone tries to claim sword N1.
Whoever gets it enjoys being BP and can claim if they need to confirm as IC if dueled.
If Merlin survives to D2, Merlin claims to become IC and, if he knows Arthur has the sword, he says so and Arthur keeps their mouth shut or
if he knows Arthur doesn't have the sword then he claims who Arthur is and boom
Town has 2 ICs on D2 and a secret BP IC or
Town has 1 IC on D2 and a secret BP Vig IC
If Non-confirmed-Arthur town gets the sword, they never attempt to vig with it because they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot 12 out of 14 times.
And that's it.
There's no more optimal play around it.
If you try to publicly gate who goes for the sword, you don't account for
1. Townies that disregard this shit
2. Scum having control of killing claimants/not
Basically playing around it as a public cop only works once and even then it's iffy.
Our goal should be to shut the fuck up and stop tilting who may or may not be Merlin and just scumhunt
There's no more point to discussing the Sword mechanics.
