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In this playerlist, does anti-town imply scum?In post 218, SirCakez wrote:i don't see what you're implying w/the italicized policy lynch
why would you want to keep someone playing anti-town by rando-dueling alive?
It'll be shitty anyway, but I'm not sure if that a person gladiates is enough to be lynched as more probable scum as the challenged.- Nancy Drew 39
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But how does that confirm Merlin? The only way that Merlin is ever confirmed is if they identify Arthur before he attempts to vig. Once Arthur vigges, anyone can claim Merlin. If that actually happens is maybe where a final gladiate would happen, I suppose.In post 206, Dunnstral wrote:
They don't until we're near the end of the game, before mylo/lyloIn post 203, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
How does Merlin get confirmed without confirming Arthur?In post 196, Dunnstral wrote:
Because arthur ALREADY HAS THE SWORD and all merlin confirming doing is telling him to shoot it - something that they are likely to do within 1-2 nights anyway, and even if they don't shoot it it's /just/ a vig, I think I'd rather have an additional confirmed town hidden awayIn post 194, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If Merlin knows that Arthur has claimed the sword, why shouldn’t they confirm it?
And when they are, they can claim merlin**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Auro
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Big difference when it comes from a player who's annoyed by it because, from his perspective, there's already an optimal D1 strategy.In post 223, SirCakez wrote:hey look I was right about other players being annoyed by the setup talk
@Nancy: Scum claiming Merlin seems like a really bad idea before LyLo/MyLo, real Merlin also claims and both die.- Dunnstral
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Who cares if Merlin gets cc'd if it's before lyloIn post 227, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Once Arthur vigges, anyone can claim Merlin.- SirCakez
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Nope but if they are being actively malicious (i;e wasting a day by dueling w/o consensus) then they may as well beIn post 226, Auro wrote:
In this playerlist, does anti-town imply scum?In post 218, SirCakez wrote:i don't see what you're implying w/the italicized policy lynch
why would you want to keep someone playing anti-town by rando-dueling alive?
It'll be shitty anyway, but I'm not sure if that a person gladiates is enough to be lynched as more probable scum as the challenged.
I suppose it depends on the scenario
right now I don't think anyone is probable enough scum to where I would lynch them over a YOLO-duelerBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Oh okay, I see now.In post 208, Dunnstral wrote:
NO... Merlin is still confirmed town, we know there's only 1 merlin in the setup, regardless of what arthur is doing with the swordIn post 205, Auro wrote:I mean after Arthur's outed, they can only just claim to be Merlin.
Merlin outting means he dies next night - there's no protection for him, if he doesn't die he lives on as a hidden IC that scum have to look for**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Dunnstral
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Like people see 2 paragraphs out through out bad reaction gifsIn post 216, Varsoon wrote:Ya'll are hard over-thinking this shit, which, imo, is what scum wants.
It's really fuckin' simple.
Everyone tries to claim sword N1.
Whoever gets it enjoys being BP and can claim if they need to confirm as IC if dueled.
If Merlin survives to D2, Merlin claims to become IC and, if he knows Arthur has the sword, he says so and Arthur keeps their mouth shut or
if he knows Arthur doesn't have the sword then he claims who Arthur is and boom
Town has 2 ICs on D2 and a secret BP IC or
Town has 1 IC on D2 and a secret BP Vig IC
If Non-confirmed-Arthur town gets the sword, they never attempt to vig with it because they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot 12 out of 14 times.
And that's it.
There's no more optimal play around it.
If you try to publicly gate who goes for the sword, you don't account for
1. Townies that disregard this shit
2. Scum having control of killing claimants/not
Basically playing around it as a public cop only works once and even then it's iffy.
Our goal should be to shut the fuck up and stop tilting who may or may not be Merlin and just scumhunt
There's no more point to discussing the Sword mechanics.
UT is really scummy
Merlin claiming day 2 is not good play- Dunnstral
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And all those ICS die before lylo/myloIn post 216, Varsoon wrote:Town has 2 ICs on D2 and a secret BP IC or
Town has 1 IC on D2 and a secret BP Vig IC- SirCakez
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I "jumped" at him b/c he tried to get the game moving on lolBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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How is there more value in having a pointless stealth IC than there is in townclearing the next day's lynch or mislynch?
And you are ignoring the possibility that the *next consensus scumread is scum* in which case we get a GUILTY and the sword is unclaimed and then we get to use the test again.
Do you not get that?
You guys are not playing toward best case scenario.
Best case scenario:
We force top two scumreads to gladiate
The winner is forced to claim sword
But they're scum so they don't and it remains unclaimed
Then we lynch them and rinse, repeat the next day
Like you all are thinking only of sword giving us an IC but it's *way more valuable* as having the potential to give us guilties
Effectively it gives us the chance to have a public daycop and a lynch each day phase
So no, "everyone claims the sword" is a shit plan- Nancy Drew 39
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Why? Rando-gladiating is terrible for town. If they gladiate and actually lynch scum, than obviously they wouldn’t be policy lynched.In post 215, Auro wrote:
Disagree that it should be a directIn post 210, SirCakez wrote:like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I wantPolicy Lynch, this almost feels like pre-emptive opportunism.
What’s to prevent scum from yolo lynching?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- Dunnstral
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The 'pointless stealth IC' should be MERLIN and ARTHURIn post 236, DVa wrote:How is there more value in having a pointless stealth IC than there is in townclearing the next day's lynch or mislynch?- Varsoon
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Shortens the lynch pool, nothing wrong with it.
But I'm of the mind that more ICs early is better than not having them.
Regardless, Merlin has to claim if survived to D2 due to Arthur info not flipping on Merlin's death; so long as both are in setup killing Merlin before claim wipes 2 ICs off the map.
@DVa: If we consensus catch two scum on D1 in this game then scum have already fucking lost.- Dunnstral
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BAD POSTIn post 222, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 216, Varsoon wrote:Ya'll are hard over-thinking this shit, which, imo, is what scum wants.
It's really fuckin' simple.
Everyone tries to claim sword N1.
Whoever gets it enjoys being BP and can claim if they need to confirm as IC if dueled.
If Merlin survives to D2, Merlin claims to become IC and, if he knows Arthur has the sword, he says so and Arthur keeps their mouth shut or
if he knows Arthur doesn't have the sword then he claims who Arthur is and boom
Town has 2 ICs on D2 and a secret BP IC or
Town has 1 IC on D2 and a secret BP Vig IC
If Non-confirmed-Arthur town gets the sword, they never attempt to vig with it because they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot 12 out of 14 times.
And that's it.
There's no more optimal play around it.
If you try to publicly gate who goes for the sword, you don't account for
1. Townies that disregard this shit
2. Scum having control of killing claimants/not
Basically playing around it as a public cop only works once and even then it's iffy.
Our goal should be to shut the fuck up and stop tilting who may or may not be Merlin and just scumhunt
There's no more point to discussing the Sword mechanics.- Auro
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Your best case scenario is reliant on very good town cohesion, and doesn't account for "townies that disregard this shit" as Varsoon puts it. Trying to follow this would fail even if two or three town play against it - say, also claiming, randomly gladiating, blah blah blah.In post 236, DVa wrote:How is there more value in having a pointless stealth IC than there is in townclearing the next day's lynch or mislynch?
And you are ignoring the possibility that the *next consensus scumread is scum* in which case we get a GUILTY and the sword is unclaimed and then we get to use the test again.
Do you not get that?
You guys are not playing toward best case scenario.
Best case scenario:
We force top two scumreads to gladiate
The winner is forced to claim sword
But they're scum so they don't and it remains unclaimed
Then we lynch them and rinse, repeat the next day
Like you all are thinking only of sword giving us an IC but it's *way more valuable* as having the potential to give us guilties
Effectively it gives us the chance to have a public daycop and a lynch each day phase
So no, "everyone claims the sword" is a shit plan- DVa
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Considering 216 is an awful plan, I'm going to go ahead and HURT: TripodIn post 222, Untrod Tripod wrote:In post 216, Varsoon wrote:Everyone tries to claim sword N1.
Whoever gets it enjoys being BP and can claim if they need to confirm as IC if dueled.
If Merlin survives to D2,Merlin claims to become ICand, if he knows Arthur has the sword, he says so and Arthur keeps their mouth shut or
if he knows Arthur doesn't have the sword then he claims who Arthur is and boom
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If EVERYONE is on the same page that it is terrible for town, sure.In post 237, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Why? Rando-gladiating is terrible for town. If they gladiate and actually lynch scum, than obviously they wouldn’t be policy lynched.In post 215, Auro wrote:
Disagree that it should be a directIn post 210, SirCakez wrote:like d.va I said earlier that someone who rando-gladiates early should be PLed
that's def not what I wantPolicy Lynch, this almost feels like pre-emptive opportunism.
What’s to prevent scum from yolo lynching?
I've just a general distrust that town players wouldn't rando-gladiate out of what they think are strong scumreads.
PL'd in the sense of *that* gladiate itself, not in the future.
I think scum would be warier than to YOLO lynch and screw themselves over, anyway.- Dunnstral
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You know what else wipes 2 ics off the map? Merlin claiming and saying who arthur is day 2In post 239, Varsoon wrote:so long as both are in setup killing Merlin before claim wipes 2 ICs off the map.- Nancy Drew 39
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+1In post 216, Varsoon wrote:Ya'll are hard over-thinking this shit, which, imo, is what scum wants.
It's really fuckin' simple.
Everyone tries to claim sword N1.
Whoever gets it enjoys being BP and can claim if they need to confirm as IC if dueled.
If Merlin survives to D2, Merlin claims to become IC and, if he knows Arthur has the sword, he says so and Arthur keeps their mouth shut or
if he knows Arthur doesn't have the sword then he claims who Arthur is and boom
Town has 2 ICs on D2 and a secret BP IC or
Town has 1 IC on D2 and a secret BP Vig IC
If Non-confirmed-Arthur town gets the sword, they never attempt to vig with it because they are just going to shoot themselves in the foot 12 out of 14 times.
And that's it.
There's no more optimal play around it.
If you try to publicly gate who goes for the sword, you don't account for
1. Townies that disregard this shit
2. Scum having control of killing claimants/not
Basically playing around it as a public cop only works once and even then it's iffy.
Our goal should be to shut the fuck up and stop tilting who may or may not be Merlin and just scumhunt
There's no more point to discussing the Sword mechanics.
Agree, everyone obviously except for Merlin.
Yeah, I’m starting to get a headache over it.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly- SirCakez
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varsoon is wading into the setup talk despite trying to end it what a guy
i think there are definitely players in this game who would YOLO as scumBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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What did Tripod post? GIF doesn't show for me.In post 242, DVa wrote:Considering 216 is an awful plan, I'm going to go ahead and HURT: Tripod- Auro
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Why are you so anti-engagement?!In post 247, SirCakez wrote:varsoon is wading into the setup talk despite trying to end it what a guy
i think there are definitely players in this game who would YOLO as scum - Auro
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