Excalibur [Endgame]

[Auro]

I would say yes, but in LLD’s case I trust her to be effective at leading and not fooled by bad reasoning.

I don't, especially considering she was making reads off two/three early posts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@nancy because I'm trying to ferret out scumreads from people as an alternative to the ongoing "plan" battle and you're one of those people arguing

Okay, fair enough. I will let you know as soon as I have any. The problem is trying to differentiate between people genuinely confused about the setup and people intentionally trying to hurt town, which isn’t the easiest thing in this type of setup. Eventhough I’m not in favour of policy lynches in general, your strong reaction against yolo gladiating is more likely to come from town, so I’m townreading you for that.

[Auro]

The problem is trying to differentiate between people genuinely confused about the setup and people intentionally trying to hurt town, which isn’t the easiest thing in this type of setup.

Nancy, I get a bad feeling from the people who swoop in to HURT because I was talking about setup/strat and obviously had the chance of putting out a thought that could be sub-optimal, while also open to correcting myself. Seems a tad bit opportunistic, no?

[SirCakez]

I don't think Nancy meant the HURT vote tag

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would say yes, but in LLD’s case I trust her to be effective at leading and not fooled by bad reasoning.

I don't, especially considering she was making reads off two/three early posts.

I didn’t understand her strong UT townread. I’m not scumreading him rn but what has he done that makes him obvtown?

[Auro]

I don't think Nancy meant the HURT vote tag

I know that. I was talking about myself. I was agreeing with her in that it's hard to differentiate, and then leading to the conclusion that someone who swoops in to attack someone talking about it for having a wrong thought or two seems opportunistic.

[SirCakez]

Ah I see

[Nancy Drew 39]

The problem is trying to differentiate between people genuinely confused about the setup and people intentionally trying to hurt town, which isn’t the easiest thing in this type of setup.

Nancy, I get a bad feeling from the people who swoop in to HURT because I was talking about setup/strat and obviously had the chance of putting out a thought that could be sub-optimal, while also open to correcting myself. Seems a tad bit opportunistic, no?

I don't think Nancy meant the HURT vote tag

Cakes is correct, I was not referring to that, rather to having bad intentions.

[SirCakez]

I don't think either of you have experience with LLD, her early unexplained reads are pretty typical
That said I totally misread her last game we played together so take caution

[Auro]

Read post 305, Nancy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Making proper use of the Excalibur mechanic, to my eyes, is *heavily* reliant on town working together. Individual players pushing their own reads through, as opposed to forming consensus, would be anti-town. Am I wrong?

I agree with this
Is this what you were arguing?

[Auro]

Making proper use of the Excalibur mechanic, to my eyes, is *heavily* reliant on town working together. Individual players pushing their own reads through, as opposed to forming consensus, would be anti-town. Am I wrong?

I agree with this
Is this what you were arguing?

Yep! My point was that a stubborn player who believes their reads are totally right (When they might not be) and keeping the sword to themselves, is anti-town in general - If we follow a strategy based on passing around the sword, which would rely on town cohesion.

[Auro]

My pressing starting question right now is:
How stronger does a Vig ability provide, in addition to Bulletproof?
Is it *strong enough* to benefit town's winning chances greatly enough to actually adopt a strategy where we want Arthur ends up with the sword?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think Nancy meant the HURT vote tag

I know that. I was talking about myself. I was agreeing with her in that it's hard to differentiate, and then leading to the conclusion that someone who swoops in to attack someone talking about it for having a wrong thought or two seems opportunistic.

You weren’t in Boundaries of Reality, DVa and Cakes were, so they don’t want a repeat of that - re: yolo gladiating - hence their strong stance on it. Not suggesting, you’re not - only that yolo gladiaters, should expect repercussions, if they lynch town before obtaining a town consensus.

Yes, that’s why I’m not “hurting” anyone yet, I’m doing my best to ferret out intentions, since I’m still really confused about the setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

Making proper use of the Excalibur mechanic, to my eyes, is *heavily* reliant on town working together. Individual players pushing their own reads through, as opposed to forming consensus, would be anti-town. Am I wrong?

I agree with this
Is this what you were arguing?

Yep! My point was that a stubborn player who believes their reads are totally right (When they might not be) and keeping the sword to themselves, is anti-town in general - If we follow a strategy based on passing around the sword, which would rely on town cohesion.

Okay that makes sense. I might continue trying to refine strategy but I think you’re fine rn. Also I think your response to pressure was pretty towny, unless you’re a player who can flatly argue what you perceive as mechanically correct town play as scum, which I think takes development or a ton of confidence.
HEAL: Auro
What’s the current argument between Varsoon and DVa?

[Gamma Emerald]

My pressing starting question right now is:
How stronger does a Vig ability provide, in addition to Bulletproof?
Is it *strong enough* to benefit town's winning chances greatly enough to actually adopt a strategy where we want Arthur ends up with the sword?

Vig works like an extra lynch mechanically, although the truth of that depends on how it is used. So I think it should be pro-town overall, the variance is just how much.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think either of you have experience with LLD, her early unexplained reads are pretty typical
That said I totally misread her last game we played together so take caution

I don’t know much about her meta, except in Dance where she was scum. she did blatant distancing with Short and Fire.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Read post 305, Nancy.

Yes, I stand corrected.

[SirCakez]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

[Nancy Drew 39]

Making proper use of the Excalibur mechanic, to my eyes, is *heavily* reliant on town working together. Individual players pushing their own reads through, as opposed to forming consensus, would be anti-town. Am I wrong?

I agree with this
Is this what you were arguing?

Yep! My point was that a stubborn player who believes their reads are totally right (When they might not be) and keeping the sword to themselves, is anti-town in general - If we follow a strategy based on passing around the sword, which would rely on town cohesion.

You can’t pass around the sword. You are not allowed to ever unclaim it. The only way it can be “passed around” is when the claiment dies.

[Nancy Drew 39]

P.edit.

If the player who has the Excalibur dies, then it becomes publicly unclaimed again. You cannot willingly unclaim the sword.

[Dunnstral]

@DVa: Or more realistically understanding that it's fucking hard to reign in

13 other jackasses

and not hinging an entire plan around it.

In fact, fuck you, I'm going for the sword no matter what you say, so your plan can eat shit and you can die.

[Gamma Emerald]

This guy feels scummy to me as well

Either you're tone-reading or there's some scummy content in what I've posted that you disagree with.
Which is it? If it's the latter, go ahead and engage me.

Why wouldn’t you want him engaging with you if it was the former?

[Dunnstral]

Hey GENIUSES going on about "oh the plan falls apart if 2-3 town don't cooperate"

What happens if Merlin doesn't claim? Then the plan is useless and it only took one town to 'ruin' it

[SirCakez]

Dunn what are you saying in 321