Excalibur [Endgame]

[Auro]

Addendum to Varsoon's plan in 216:
We still follow protocol to decide who gladiates -- and Merlin/Sword-Holder ONLY come out if they're the majority HURT. Otherwise, they lay low.
I think this should improve it and keep ICs hidden too in the average case, right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes but how do we force any player to duel? Why can’t scum just refuse? What’s stopping them from doing this? If there is no mechanic to force duels, then I don’t know how we ever get lynches.

In my imagination, someone REFUSING to gladiate is anti-town, and someone gladiates them for that.

@Dunnstral, yeah if it's "both" you can go ahead and engage with me on the content itself.
If you're scumreading me because I'm talking heavily about mechanics, sure. Can't help that.
Tone I'd say is playstyle, I feel like *every* game there's someone scumreading me off tone alone -- So I'd call that weak, but whatever suits you.

I *guess* Nevermind my last post...?

[SirCakez]

Lol on that note Dunn if fire, lld or ut is Merlin then literally the entire last 15 pages were for nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

3. (If Merlin's alive) Merlin confirms if Arthur the next day, says nothing if not, thus confirming to town that yesterday's winner isn't Arthur

And stuff like this that you're pushing seems anti-town

Pretty sure this step 3 should never happen

How?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

I’m assuming you mean LLD, won’t play logically. Anyone else? It’s good we don’t have Nico in this playerlist.

[Auro]

This guy feels scummy to me as well

Either you're tone-reading or there's some scummy content in what I've posted that you disagree with.
Which is it? If it's the latter, go ahead and engage me.

Why wouldn’t you want him engaging with you if it was the former?

Not engaging with me would be direct contradiction of his scumread if it was the latter.
Of course I'd want him, or anyone, to engage me regardless.

[Dunnstral]

Lol on that note Dunn if fire, lld or ut is Merlin then literally the entire last 15 pages were for nothing

Fire hasn't even shown up yet though

Dunn what are you saying in 321

Just pointing out some hypocrisy, I think you can figure it out

[Nancy Drew 39]

@DVa: Or more realistically understanding that it's fucking hard to reign in

13 other jackasses

and not hinging an entire plan around it.

In fact, fuck you, I'm going for the sword no matter what you say, so your plan can eat shit and you can die.

I admit I was shocked at reading this from Varsoon.

[Auro]

Hey GENIUSES going on about "oh the plan falls apart if 2-3 town don't cooperate"

What happens if Merlin doesn't claim? Then the plan is useless and it only took one town to 'ruin' it

False equivalence, JUST the Merlin player throwing the game is less likely than ANY 2-3 town from the 13 town not co-operating.

[Dunnstral]

3. (If Merlin's alive) Merlin confirms if Arthur the next day, says nothing if not, thus confirming to town that yesterday's winner isn't Arthur

And stuff like this that you're pushing seems anti-town

Pretty sure this step 3 should never happen

How?

I believe I've talked about this in detail

[SirCakez]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

I’m assuming you mean LLD, won’t play logically. Anyone else? It’s good we don’t have Nico in this playerlist.

Ye and the other two players I mentioned in response to Dunn
And I don't know some of the others who haven't posted yet and FA hasn't played in a while so who knows!
P-edit: varsoon is always salty don't take it personally

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lol on that note Dunn if fire, lld or ut is Merlin then literally the entire last 15 pages were for nothing

Yeah, probably liking their posts the least rn.

[Dunnstral]

Hey GENIUSES going on about "oh the plan falls apart if 2-3 town don't cooperate"

What happens if Merlin doesn't claim? Then the plan is useless and it only took one town to 'ruin' it

False equivalence, JUST the Merlin player throwing the game is less likely than ANY 2-3 town from the 13 town not co-operating.

That's arguable

[Dunnstral]

Fire hasn't even shown up yet though

I take this back

[Auro]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

I'm constantly showing my disdain over the plausibility of everyone working together logically, lol.
I'm trying to find a strategy where we can make use of a good part of town working logically, and also account for a few town who won't.

@Dunnstral: Dependence on *one* player is a lot better than dependence on *13 players* at the same time. I think it's pretty clear

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also on the LLD note I think auro is expecting everyone in this game to play logically and that definitely won't happen knowing some of these players...

I’m assuming you mean LLD, won’t play logically. Anyone else? It’s good we don’t have Nico in this playerlist.

Ye and the other two players I mentioned in response to Dunn
And I don't know some of the others who haven't posted yet and FA hasn't played in a while so who knows!
P-edit: varsoon is always salty don't take it personally

Me? No, Varsoon is usually really nice to me anyway.

FA?

[SirCakez]

I meant in general not specifically to you Nancy
@auro I just get the vibes you are expecting a lot of cooperation here when we could easily see a yolo gladiate from some of these players within an IRL day.

[SirCakez]

just look at boundaries of reality

[Auro]

My pressing starting question right now is:
How stronger does a Vig ability provide, in addition to Bulletproof?
Is it *strong enough* to benefit town's winning chances greatly enough to actually adopt a strategy where we want Arthur ends up with the sword?

Vig works like an extra lynch mechanically, although the truth of that depends on how it is used. So I think it should be pro-town overall, the variance is just how much.

Addendum to Varsoon's plan in 216:
We still follow protocol to decide who gladiates -- and Merlin/Sword-Holder ONLY come out if they're the majority HURT. Otherwise, they lay low.
I think this should improve it and keep ICs hidden too in the average case, right?

If Vig isn't ALL that useful, I currently think the strategy above is best.

We either find a strategy wherein Arthur gets Excalibur, or not.
If the former, we'll not only need convincing reasons that the strategy can work out, but also that we don't lose much in the process of Arthur getting it, just for a Vig ability that's not supremely pro-town.

I meant in general not specifically to you Nancy
@auro I just get the vibes you are expecting a lot of cooperation here when we could easily see a yolo gladiate from some of these players within an IRL day.

I'm relatively new, so there's the hope that co-operation is possible. I really hope a yolo gladiate doesn't happen.

[MariaR]

Lieutenant Maria reporting in. Commencing catch up mission

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh okay then. So anyone - other than Merlin - should do this, if they’re convinced they’ve found scum. Got it.

Not unless they want to be lynched

Yolodueling is precisely what made town lose in BoR

I think a better read for determining the effect of yolodueling is Transformers Mafia, as that had a real duel mechanic rather than something akin to it

[SirCakez]

Can't wait to hear Maria thoughts

[Frozen Angel]

Hello

14 pages to read and I'm kinda busy today but I'll try to catch up in first possible time - in my breaks.

I just saw my name in this page and if by not playing logically you mean gladiating someone randomly or going against a decided plan for trying to pick up the sword - I would and will never do those things ever. If you mean I have my special play style yeah I do

[MariaR]

Everyone let us all begin by giving our Arthur reveal.

If you don’t know what I mean I am saying we all soft Merlin role and claim a person to be Arthur.
In case Merlin is night killed/lynched by accident we have our cleared townie.

Let me begin:
Varsoon is Arthur

The intel we’ve been given before starting our mission has shown this will lead to fatal error. Please re read the mission briefing firebringer.

Wonder what happens if Merlin gets the sword. Do they just... Become the god ruler of the town?

Serious question though, should Merlin just claim the sword and be done with it?

A sidenote to this: I'm personally viewing the day 1 duel as basically a popularity contest. So choose wisely if you duel someone.

this is scum

Good to hear from you LLD. I feel this post is quite NAI coming from Elsa they seemed very interested in the mechs of the game before hand so I can see this from either side.

hey LLD

are we finally on the same side? will you join me in a Day 1 slam dunk scum lynch on Elsa?

Although this post has my the hair on the back of my neck rising

Throwing out a thought:
If scum claims Excalibur, they die immediately.
Town can vote on someone to claim Excalibur for the day. ONLY that person claims at night. If they're scum it remains unclaimed, lynch next day. If there's a claim treat them like an IC the next day.

I really like this plan although from knowledge of other players I doubt we could get such teamwork. I’m always willing to try of course.

Merlin claiming Excalibur is useless IMO because there's no real way to convey who Arthur is. The only reliable method of conveying that information is through a confirmation. Merlin claiming and holding the sword till dead just removed that part of the mechanic. Is there some way we can get a Merlin claim and have him as an IC with the sword, though?

Like, next night ONLY Merlin claims, next day he says he has it, so confirmed BP Inno. Can't be faked, right?

Like LLD said all this talk on the mechs of the game will get us no where. Let’s get off the topic we can talk more about who is claiming what at EOD. For now getting a base ground on who scum is much more important than what we should do with the sword given that’s a problem for later.

[Frozen Angel]

That (that I'm busy) + I just woke up to a nightmare that had my mother in it so I need some time to calm myself down rn