Excalibur [Endgame]

[Firebringer]

i have too many scumreads now...

[Untrod Tripod]

First of all that's shitty behavior because I'd be trying to remove the town's ability to choose lynches and that would make the game really not fun for everyone else

Second I wouldn't give scum an avenue to kill me even if it's remote

Third I'm not gonna pretend that only my reads are valid so other people need to be getting in there and accusing people

[Firebringer]

Kokichi
UT
LLD
Something_Smart
Dunnstral

i should take of dunny boy but i think he is arguing a lot of stuff just trying to be right than sorting a lot. which doesn't seem right.

[SirCakez]

I will catch up tomorrow morning.
10 pages to go through already -_-

[Something_Smart]

@SomethingSmart: You think that people claiming in LYLO makes them confirmed.
I refuted that already.
We can have civil discussions but you framing it like I'm the problem here when it's clear you haven't read my posts is troubling.

I never said anything about claiming in LYLO. I only said confirmed in LYLO. Whether or not it's feasible to have someone confirmed in LYLO, it's preferable to having them confirmed beforehand.

Although it is absolutely possible to have someone claim in LYLO and be confirmed. If, on day 1, everyone did as Firebringer did and hypoclaimed who Arthur is, then by the time LYLO rolls around, there could be only a few people who still could be Merlin. If scum aren't in that group, or if the person they claimed is Arthur ends up being Merlin, they can't counterclaim Merlin, and Merlin and Arthur get confirmed. I'm not saying that's a good strategy, but it can lead to multiple people being confirmed in LYLO. However, I do think it's objectively better than your strategy.

So... you still haven't done what I asked. Do you agree with the following:

Confirming the highest number of town is not the best goal. If an obvious townie who was going to die at night turns out to be confirmed, it does nothing for us.

What we want is one of two things: confirmed townies that scum can't kill before it matters (either BP or confirmed

in LYLO

), or being able to choose who gets confirmed (because we can pick scummy players to get either guiltied or confirmed).

or not? And if not, why do you disagree?

[Dunnstral]

I've done more than try actually

[DVa]

Oro should I be scouting the playerlist for 'good at both town and scum, that is both hard to read and very strong to have as a town leader.' myself?

so Maria?

[Firebringer]

Oro should I be scouting the playerlist for 'good at both town and scum, that is both hard to read and very strong to have as a town leader.' myself?

so Maria?

Frozen Angel is pretty good at both too

[Firebringer]

holy shit if both maria and angel are scum.....

that would be scary

[Dunnstral]

Merlin needs to claim the day before lyloor else they can be countered in lylo

[Something_Smart]

Town intentionally killing itself so that town can eventually get a Vig that'll more often than not just kill more town is an awful idea.

Also, do you seriously believe that Arthur getting the sword is bad for town? It's mechanically equivalent to double day, at the very least if Arthur has poor reads he can be leashed and it still provides a massive boost to town EV...

[Dunnstral]

Oro should I be scouting the playerlist for 'good at both town and scum, that is both hard to read and very strong to have as a town leader.' myself?

so Maria?

Well yes but I might be biased because I feel I'm above average at reading her

I wasn't necessarily agreeing with SS either, just wondering where he was going with that

[Dunnstral]

he can be leashed

How? He's not a sk, he's confirmed town, what are we going to do to him, lynch him?

[Firebringer]

goodnite dunny boy.
i am going to sleeeppppp

[Dunnstral]

i should take of dunny boy but i think he is arguing a lot of stuff just trying to be right than sorting a lot. which doesn't seem right.

I don't really agree with this but OK

Especially since I feel you're taking into account me arguing with you when I feel like you kind of interjected yourself into that

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

LLD flipped scum again it's looking like

LLD flipped scum again it's looking like

Not feeling this
HURT: Auro btw

Why? Do you know she flipped town?

Also, is talking heavily about mechanics anti-town in your opinion, or is it because you think scum's trying to hide behind the veil of mechanic discussion and achieve towncred through it?

Which part of step 3?
I STRONGLY feel that if Arthur has the sword, Merlin should confirm it. NOT confirming that is anti-town.
And if non-Arthur has the sword, Merlin shouldn't say anything. Coming out is anti-town.

Bad logic.

But I kinda feel auro is town.

gamma scummy

HURT: gamma

Compared to Witches Ball this is "aggressive"

I know compared to Varsoon it's like lying in a meadow of flowers but I'm going by how he usually sounds as town

I don't really agree with that, here are some of his first posts in witch's ball:

Spoiler:

But im most likely never gonna be obvtown nor in a "unequestionably TvT" pairing so I figured why not.

What?

You're always obv town as town. Are you trying to pocket me?

But im most likely never gonna be obvtown nor in a "unequestionably TvT" pairing so I figured why not.

What?

You're always obv town as town. Are you trying to pocket me?

Weird.

I originally interpreted that as her thinking you were expendable.

How? If shes scum she doesnt want to be stuck without someone. I'm likely to accept her since we play a lot together.

By the way I'm lynching the firebringer duo first. Whoever he pairs with

Her explanation for proposing to you was that she doesn't think she'd be one of the players to fall into one of the T-T dance pairs.

Yes because I have a tendency to get SR when im town.

In what world

Also as far as I remember troll FB is town FB so FB is town.

The fuck is this btw

Possible scum interaction

Looks just as aggressive if not more to me

@DVa what do you think of this

[Auro]

I can imagine UT doing this (set the vig apart), he literally said "just gladiate your scumreads".

if you think UT is this bad of a liability as town why not just have him lynched today?

I think many players are probably capable of exhibiting such behavior - if people claiming the sword explicitly agree to 1. Not do that, and 2. Town is ready to lynch ICs for doing that, it's fine.

UT is self-resolving anyway, considering he'll attempt to vig.

If he lol gladiates today, I'll vote him.

[Something_Smart]

How about we leave the realm of theoretical and you tell us who you'd like to hold the sword, Something_Smart?

If we follow that plan at least, which it doesn't seem like you are attached to

Well that's why I mentioned supporting LLD getting it before. She was the only one who came to mind.

Most of my experience with these players is very out of date, though, so that's why I left the description open for anyone who has a good idea of who fits it. Maybe you although I think some people here can read you pretty well.

he can be leashed

How? He's not a sk, he's confirmed town, what are we going to do to him, lynch him?

The pressure of getting 99% of the blame for a loss would probably work pretty well on most people, especially if their reads have already proven bad.

[Dunnstral]

UT is self-resolving anyway, considering he'll attempt to vig.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion but I don't think UT ever made it clear what he'd do if he got the sword

[Something_Smart]

I'm claiming the sword every time I can and I'm going to try to vig shit.

[Untrod Tripod]

Reading is tech

[Dunnstral]

What is the threshold for a lol gladiate being turned into an ethical certified town ap proved gladiate?

[DVa]

@DVa what do you think of this

you're right, he's a bit more aggressive than I remember, but I still feel like he's a bit scummy off gut here tbh

[DVa]

What is the threshold for a lol gladiate being turned into an ethical certified town ap proved gladiate?

9 hurts

[VeridianCleric]

night all, talk in the morning