Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Keyser Söze]

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[the worst]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Blackjacks]

Is the Random Voting Stage (RVS) truly a beneficial activity for Towns in the game of Mafia, or does it merely offer the illusion of productivity? We shall argue in favor of the latter.

-Do not use any form of provable randomness. This includes dice tags, screenshots of random.org, etc. Saying you flipped a coin is okay, providing some sort of proof that you did isn’t.

We begin by noting that the RVS is misleadingly named. It is impossible to have a truly Random voting stage, as voting in a provably random way would violate the integrity of the game of Mafia.

Thus, Internet mafia sites such as mafiascum.net present a dilemma to their players: vote "randomly" (but not randomly) at the beginning of a game, or risk becoming a member of the "outgroup". One might draw parallels between the act of voting "randomly", when such a thing is impossible, and the act of lying, which is often considered anti-town by the esteemed experts of the field

[who?]

. As such, the RVS may serve to decrease town cohesion. Indeed, a statistically significant portion of Forum Mafia (FM) players interviewed were found to have lasting negative emotions toward their "random" voters.

Secondly, a wide variety of effective scumhunting tools are available to town players, including passionate but misguided accusation

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, posting gifs, posting anime gifs, pointlessly speculating on the setup, tactically lurking, reaction testing, tactically replacing out, looking at cute cats

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, vote-count analysis (VCA), lolhammering, etc., and the "randomness" of an RVS vote typically undermines such methods. As such, we propose a new standard of FM play that moves away from RVS and all its detrimental effects.

As an example, we shall perform a round of VCA by a process detailed

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in the Mafia Discussion (MD) board on mafiascum.net.

unofficial votecount

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Blackjacks (1):	THE MEME MEN (95),
THE MEME MEN (1):	the worst (98),
Not voting (11):	Clemency,	Carcalilly,	Blackjacks,	Gamma Emerald,	ceejayvinoya,	Aster,	TwistedGwen,	pinturicchio,	RadiantCowbells,	Springtrap,	Keyser Söze,

From this votecount it can be trivially observed that

THE MEME MEN

are of the mafia persuasion. As an added benefit, when both of them are lynched, the game will end in a Town Victory.

VOTE: THE MEME MEN

[the worst]

yo Blackz analyse the Gamma wagon for us

[Gamma Emerald]

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

[the worst]

Nvm
VOTE: the memememen

[Gamma Emerald]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

[the worst]

yeah

[Aster]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

[Keyser Söze]

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

“Jackass”?! Ok, accepted.

“Double standard”? Nope.
Your question and my vote are different Mr Gamma.

[Keyser Söze]

I personally think the last line saved it.

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.1

Blackjacks (1):

THE MEME MEN 95

Gamma Emerald (1):

Keyser Söze 100

THE MEME MEN (2):

Blackjacks 102, the worst 105

Not voting (9):

Clemency, Carcalilly, Gamma Emerald, ceejayvinoya, Aster, TwistedGwen, pinturicchio, RadiantCowbells, Springtrap

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).

[the worst]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

I thought it was like
intentionally cringe funny
cringey != bad/unfunny

[Clemency]

woah i left for two minutes and everyone hates eachother

[Clemency]

[Blackjacks]

OMG, thank you so much Clemency for helping us move out of RVS!!! You're the best

[Blackjacks]

I will Join in the GIF-based scumhunting~

[the worst]

libel.

[northsidegal]

Nibbui replaces TwistedGwen.

[Nibbui]

Hey there, I'm an alt of Yuurei/Fumuki if anyone still remembers me

It's nice to meet some people again and hi to everyone I still don't know

that said, both #52 from gamma and #88 from MEMEMAN looks lamist

but I'll go for

VOTE: Aster

Gamma might have sounded lamist, but I think MEMEMAN was even worse in these two posts:

Spoiler:

Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells

weird - for 2 players that have been onsite for so long, I would think they'd have bumped into each other

-LH

^ kinda cherrypicking in my opinion

Spoiler:

All this talk about jesters - you guys sure you're in the right game and not in Jester Nightless by Jingle, instead? lol

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

^ kinda really lamist if I compare him here to a Micro I saw him playing
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and Aster seemed to realize how the post seemed a bit off here:

Spoiler:

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

✓ Statement meant to look townish;
✓ Statement not actually helpful.

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However, she didn't change votes or got much interested on MEME MAN even though his posts seems way worse than Gamma's I would say (we can argue about that), and the same can be said to Keyser maybe.



(/confirm by the way NSG)

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, here’s my RQS analysis. This is based on tone and how I judge their responses based on what I think they would say, a bit in the Ellibereth style:

Keyser Söze: kinda interesting
Clemency: meh
Pintu:
the worst: meh
Springtrap: very weird, especially the response to 3
ceejay: eh null
MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

[Nibbui]

MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

Where did he lie about meta? I double checked his ISO and didn't see him commenting about meta anywhere

[THE MEME MEN]

I think Left Head forgot who Gamma is which is pretty weird considering we lynched Gamma in a mini theme. I think Left Head is just having an off day tbh, but I can see why Gamma would call that a lie since it is objectively false.

Gamma, I would never forget you

-rh

[Gamma Emerald]

Apologies for the absence btw, ended up napping inadvertently.

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

No. Why do you not think it’s just a little bit overwrought?

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

“Jackass”?! Ok, accepted.

“Double standard”? Nope.
Your question and my vote are different Mr Gamma.

Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.

[Gamma Emerald]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

I thought it was like
intentionally cringe funny
cringey != bad/unfunny

Maybe. It’s just too drawn out to hit that note for me, it’s just obnoxious to me.