Mini Normal 2041 [Game Over]

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 3.7

Mewtaph (3)

- Nako, OkaPoka, Kokichi Oma

Penguin Power (3)

- Gamma Emerald, Almost50, DVa

Not Voting (3)

- Sephiroth, PenguinPower, Mewtaph

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

[Kokichi Oma]

we must acquire the penguindrum

[Almost50]

All we need is the Nako claim and then the DVa claim

[Nako]

I like my role as my ice cream.
Vanilla.

[Nako]

Wait, It's the other way around.

[Mewtaph]

DVa next.

[DVa]

Voyeur

BEF was only visited by a single killing action the night he died.

[DVa]

Nako can I ask why you wanted d2 massclaim as vt?

[Almost50]

OK, so..

If we accept Seph to be the Vig (Miller to Gunsmith) then Mew has to be lying from a balance PoV
If we accept Mew's claim though (only protective role that could also be -ve utility for Town by blocking action) then Seph has to be lying
However, there's a chance this game is light in PRs, with GS+Voyeur as the only PRs. Again, if this is the case them Scum have a RB (obviously) and a Doctor (only reason to use a GS over a standard alignment Cop).

So, I'm 100% positive at least one scum between Seph/Mew, but it's also likely both are.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Nako can I ask why you wanted d2 massclaim as vt?

I second that

[Almost50]

Tbh, I had my notes down for nako as a WATCHER and DVa as a VIG. DVa bc she 1st to say BEF was a Vig shot, so I took that for a crumb. Nako, I don't remember, but I also though she was hinting Watcher.

If Mafia are somehow informed then it could be that Nako is scum and was setting herself up for a Voyeur claim, but then WHY DID MAFIA LET ME LIVE?? Did they think I would look bad if I got a No Gun result on Mew??

[DVa]

I thought Nako was vig for most of d2 between the massclaim ask and the "if Im anything else I visited bef" hypo

[Nako]

I thought masons + PoE nightkill + other confirmable claims would help town a lot and actually end the game.
DVa is probably confirmed town for their thought of process i think with A50.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm
Voyeur is probably like a half strength watcher
So I’d expect mafia to have some sort of small PR if this is all real
But tbh the voyeur feels out of place

[DVa]

I mean all I get is garbage like "targeted by killing action" I didn't even get whether BEF was a vig kill or not which is kinda annoying

I don't think GS + Vig + JK + Voyeur is unacceptable for town strength, even if it feels a biiit on the heavy side if all are ungated. I kinda feel like Voyeur is the type of named role NRG would throw into a setup because someone was complaining it felt just a touch scumsided so it could very well actually be out of place.

If A50 isn't real then we're basically looking at a mountainous here which would be very surprising given DrD's willingness to counter-claim a role of another player so I think in terms of balance the GS claim is usually real here unless this is really just supposed to be basically double day with a vig+JK+Voyeur? seems unlikely to me tbh

Unfortunately at this point Mew and Seph both have the likelihood of their claims somewhat tied to each other. If Seph is a real vig, then a scum!Mew would know that he is the one who jailed A50. So A50 is right that scum!mew would have to have chosen to leave A50 alive, which would mean *the remaining scum team has to be something like scum doctor PLUS scum roleblocker"

That would mean setup was:
GS + Vig + Voyeur
vs Scum Doctor + Scum Roleblocker + Goon
OR
Scum roleblocker + Goon + (scumteam that decided to leave an ungated GS unblocked and unkilled....?????)

Like... that does not get past NRG, I don't think

comparing that to
GS + Vig + Voyeur + JK
vs.
Goon + ? + ?

I mean scum have to have something here, idk what, but I'm not sure how we explain the night actions that result in A50 getting a result tonight unless Mew is real

idk might need to think about this some more

[Nako]

I haven't read Mew's walls but I have a question:
Why did he kept his TR on DDl even after JK claim?

[DVa]

Mew didn't tr ddl after jk claim? He did leave it open to conditionals (if DDL flips scum, then...) but he did not say DDL was town I don't think. What posts are you thinking about?

[OkaPoka]

i think we should lynch within the VT pool for today. (because its possible that we have 4 prs but i dont think two prs is possible)

UNVOTE:

thinking of PP but i want to hear from everyone else, what y'all have as your gameplan for today

[Almost50]

Mine is to lynch the Vig

FAKE

claim because that's just too convenient. He claims to have holstered last night. WHY? Was he more sure in his SR read on BEF than he was in ME? Like he keeps calling me scum, so why didn't he take his chances on me?
I also fundamentally disapprove of shooting someone who was likely to get lynched the next day anyway. As a Vig, you shoot in your NULLs or not at all. Even of BEF was Scum you would want the D2 wagon on him to try and reveal his partners.

So, neither the actions nor the target make any sense, and Seph is just not a newbie, so I'm not buying this claim.

But I do understand people may want to give him a chance to verify his role (2 NKs tonight should). My problem with that is Mew has to stand down. I mean, Mew does NOT ACT tonight, so we are guaranteed no "I blocked a kill from/on this person" shenanigans.

If we agree to this, then I'll vote I'll vote no lynch.

[DVa]

Well, I don't know that Mew has to stand down. I was thinking optimal play would maybe be you choose a GS target, and then Mew jails that target, and I voyeur that target. That way my voyeur action confirms both of your actions really occurred and we get a 'mostly clear?/scum doctor wildcard' result. One of the three power roles die; if it's me then there's wifom with mew, but we should still get a GS result. If it's GS then I should have confirmation on Mew, unless there's a scum roleblocker on top of a town JK which seems uhhhh unlikely?

Then we basically can have Seph shoot whoever is not getting GS'd basically

So if you were like "gonna GS Gamma", mew jails gamma, I voyeur, then Seph can shoot....

and that's where my plan runs out cause I guess he's shoot Oka at that point as a VT claim with no GS result on him?

Not in love with that part of the plan but I guess we need to talk about who Seph shoots if we're not lynching him.

I also think Seph's play here seems pretty f'n suspect given he's claimed ungated vig and we have yet to have 2 nks, even if it still seems at least plausible. But I'm not categorically opposed to lynching Seph here even if I think it would be ballsy to claim vig as scum.

[OkaPoka]

lynch pp
shoot gamma
jail gamma
gunsmith gamma
voyeur gamma

[OkaPoka]

we can effectively rid scum of nks or force them to confirm

[DVa]

I thought about that but if I'm confirming both Mew and Seph then that guarantees scum kill me basically

Pretty sure scum has to shoot someone and actually get a corpse, even if there's the risk then that scum holsters?

seems unlikely given that a50 is getting results at that point

also assumes we don't hit scum with lynch today

[DVa]

Pretty sure

Seph

has to shoot someone and actually get a corpse

EBWOP

[OkaPoka]

we action dump on you and you voyeur yourself.