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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:14 pm

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In post 922, DVa wrote:Auro, Do you really fucking think I'm going to give you more self-meta bullshit to misremember and misrepresent? If you're unable to interpret what I have already said why would I give you more? You haven't earned it.
If it's that misrepresented, town would see through that, no?
I won't interpret, let town do that.
I haven't earned it, but town deserves to know.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:16 pm

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@D.VA: I don't see how the cross-gladiate maximizes info versus people just gladiating their biggest scumreads, though.

@S_S: That'd be the case if Arthur knew he was Arthur, but he doesn't, so if Arthur doesn't attempt to get the sword, his chances are always 0. Since no one knows if they are arthur or not other than Merlin, everyone should try to get sword, right?
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:16 pm

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I'll also be honest that I am not following and have no clue what this meta case between Auro and D.Va even is founded on.
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:17 pm

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In post 919, Auro wrote:Because you've said it elsewhere, I've read it before.
Prove it or accept that you have either been misrepresenting me or lying.
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:18 pm

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In post 927, Varsoon wrote:I'll also be honest that I am not following and have no clue what this meta case between Auro and D.Va even is founded on.
Auro decided to make up things and attribute to me
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:19 pm

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In post 926, Varsoon wrote:@D.VA: I don't see how the cross-gladiate maximizes info versus people just gladiating their biggest scumreads, though.
If a widely townread player gladiates a widely scumread player then it is incredibly difficult to separate busses from actual votes
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 925, Auro wrote:I won't interpret, let town do that.
I don't think town cares, I think only you do, and you're not town so far.

Or do you expect me to believe you have gone into a 1v1 with me for multiple pages but never bothered to find a quote where I say the thing that is the entire basis of your case on me?
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:21 pm

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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:22 pm

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also dva is town and i will fight anyone to the death who says otherwise.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:22 pm

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In post 933, Firebringer wrote:also dva is town and i will fight anyone to the death who says otherwise.
probably in a duel.
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:23 pm

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Is it?
If we're using a system of FoS/Hurts anyway, kinda renders the Gladiate mechanic pointless via governing, since town's just gonna lynch who they think is most scum anyway and scum can bus that anyway just like any other game.
The only difference is when people actually have to commit to a vote but even then since we're treating hurts like vote-level commitment, it's kinda whatever.

Where did Auro make something up?
How are you sure it's made up and not just misunderstanding/derps?
I guess Auro's been leaning on it but I dunno that he's really pushed that as rationale you're scum, or has he?
Like you v auro feels venomless.
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:23 pm

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In post 928, DVa wrote:
In post 919, Auro wrote:Because you've said it elsewhere, I've read it before.
Prove it or accept that you have either been misrepresenting me or lying.
Or you just answer that now. Why are you avoiding it? :P

Searching through and finding that is a difficult task, and I'm not even perfectly sure it's in a completed game. I've tried finding it with the search bar ("harder", "easier", "self meta"), but couldn't.

Anyway, if I'm lying about such a post existing, then the content of said hypothetical post may not be true, yes? In which case you could easily say "No" when I ask if you find it harder to be chummy as scum.
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:26 pm

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In post 935, Varsoon wrote:I guess Auro's been leaning on it but I dunno that he's really pushed that as rationale you're scum, or has he?
Exactly. I was just FoSing at the time, weakly, and absolutely ready to take it back after listening to others.

The way she engaged with me after that actually made me believe she's more likely scum, because I don't expect that behavior with me if she was town.
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:26 pm

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I dunno, I'd be kinda riled if you were posting untrue stuff about me.
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 926, Varsoon wrote:@S_S: That'd be the case if Arthur knew he was Arthur, but he doesn't, so if Arthur doesn't attempt to get the sword, his chances are always 0. Since no one knows if they are arthur or not other than Merlin, everyone should try to get sword, right?
Let's say that N townies (out of 12) attempt to get the sword. The odds that Arthur is one of them are N/12. (There are 12 possibilities for Arthur and N of them are going for the sword.)

Then, the odds that Arthur, assuming he does attempt it, is the one who actually gets it are 1/N. (There are N people going for the sword and 1 of them can get it.)

The odds that Arthur ends up with the sword, assuming at least one person attempts it, are (N/12) * (1/N) = 1/12 regardless of what N is.

Another way to look at it: exactly one townie is gonna end up with the sword. No matter how they ended up with it, there are 12 identical townies and one of them is Arthur, so if you pick a random townie to be Arthur the odds that you picked the one with the sword are 1/12.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:27 pm

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In post 931, DVa wrote:
In post 925, Auro wrote:I won't interpret, let town do that.
I don't think town cares, I think only you do, and you're not town so far.

Or do you expect me to believe you have gone into a 1v1 with me for multiple pages but never bothered to find a quote where I say the thing that is the entire basis of your case on me?
And do you expect scum!me to lie about something you said but act like it exists for a bunch of pages, and co-incidentally what scum!Auro fake-remembered from the hypothetical post is something you're avoiding and not denying right now?
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:27 pm

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something_smart what do u think of my scumread on u
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:29 pm

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In post 941, Firebringer wrote:something_smart what do u think of my scumread on u
It's been a while since you and I have played, my playstyle's changed, and I haven't engaged much yet, so it's acceptable (and understandable) for now.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 938, Varsoon wrote:I dunno, I'd be kinda riled if you were posting untrue stuff about me.
Obviously it would rile someone up if they felt it was untrue, I'm not saying her getting riled up is what made me lean scum on her. It's just that the content, different from what I'd expect town!DVa to say to me.

This is a lean much more informed from my personal experience and expectations though, I don't expect everyone to necessarily agree with that.
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:30 pm

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how long can i keep scumreading u before it isn't acceptable or understandable?
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:31 pm

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@S_S: Still seems like a fallacy though because if arthur doesn't go for the sword then his chances are still 0.
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:32 pm

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@Auro: Ah. Makes sense. That's why it feels venomless to me. It's entirely informed by personal history that you haven't articulated in a way that strikes D.Va down.
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:32 pm

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In post 945, Varsoon wrote:@S_S: Still seems like a fallacy though because if arthur doesn't go for the sword then his chances are still 0.
Varsoon, Something_Smart is correct here. It's a conditional probability.

*Given* that Arthur doesn't go for the sword, his chances are 0, but as long as someone is claiming, from an uninformed town perspective it's 1/12 that Arthur gets it. The one person who tries may 1/12 be Arthur.
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:33 pm

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you know we could potentially have three confirmed town. (i don't know if anyone pointed that out)
merlin confirms arthur.
and sword holder is town.

someone might have said that and i am just not invested in the mechanic talk to read it.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:34 pm

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In post 946, Varsoon wrote:@Auro: Ah. Makes sense. That's why it feels venomless to me. It's entirely informed by personal history that you haven't articulated in a way that strikes D.Va down.
I hate venom :P even my strongest cases aren't attacking. Remember my fakecase on Egix?

I don't want to strike her down. If I actually have more objective arguments strengthening my read, I'll lay them down then.
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