Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[CheekyTeeky]

I can't work out why now though so that's something to look into.

[BuJaber]

Siri, add Tails to my lynch list.

Why?

For strike 2.

Why don't you want to say it?

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Clemency (9):	Fortian (830),	pinturicchio (1599),	RCEnigma (1601),	Wisdom (1650),	davesaz (1658),	BrightEyedFish (1731),	Alchemist21 (1750),	Tails (1913),	BuJaber (2022),
BuJaber (4):	DrippingGoofball (609),	profii (1142),	Thor665 (1438),	Varsoon (1452),
Flavor Leaf (2):	Malakitty (1178),	Creature (1921),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
Nero Cain (1):	Gamma Emerald (1231),
Thor665 (1):	hebichan (1591),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Alonzo (1815),
Creature (1):	Flavor Leaf (2030),
Malakitty (1):	Nero Cain (2035),
Tails (1):	CheekyTeeky (2070),
Not voting (4):	Toogeloo,	Clemency (1442),	Amzela (1827),	DrewVa (1833),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[RCEnigma]

He had a bad push on me for meh reasons, they were the best of the bunch fwiw. This is his second bad push for equally bad reasons. It reads very disingenuous which makes his initial read to start that interaction pretty ironic.

I could see scum doing this together but I think Cheeky had a town tell.

[Tails]

Me: "Hey, I'm not sure how your read changed on me during this short period of time. Can you explain?"
*silence*
"Can you please answer the question?"
CT: "Why is it important?"
Me: "Because during a short period of time during Thanksgiving weekend, a period of time where I didn't post, your read on my slot downgraded. I just want to know why."
CT: "Oh, you didn't post? Yeah. That was it."
Me: "But it was during Thanksgiving and those 2 posts are only 24 hours apart. That doesn't make sense."
CT: "I just reevaluated. Based on conversations I had. Stop asking questions."

So I compare the 2 lists to see if anything stands out. DGB's extreme shift catches my eye. I check her ISO for posts between the 2 lists and am confused given Cheeky's reasoning. Cheeky provides 2 other posts to show the read change. The VC in one of the posts has those nice links showing when people vote. I look at the last vote on Majiffy, then look to see who on the DGB wagon voted after that. There are 4. I then compare that to Cheeky's list, given that she said that DGB was town read in part to her thinking it was a counter wagon. 3 of those 4 names are on her town list.

I'm not seeing how any of this is problematic or twisting your words. If you really reevaluated, you could have just said that instead of ducking out when asked and then changing answers when I pressed you further.

[Tails]

Spoiler: @RCEnigma

[pinturicchio]

Everyone loves Pint

Aw

[RCEnigma]

Lol I retract that read, you jump-started the wagon on Chickadee, Dave kind of summed it up but I think we came to the same conclusion beforehand.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Malakitty
Creature
DrewVa
Alonzo
Alchemist21
RCEnigma
BuJaber
Clemency
Wisdom
CheekyTeeky
pinturicchio
Fortian
Amzela

If Nero ever townreads me in a game, I going to be convinced he rolled scum. No matter how many times, you keep misreading me, you never read me accurately.

[DrewVa]

Clemency’s posting has only kind of supported my scumread on Chickadee imo.

In the meantime, RR you worry me.

-DV

Clarification. I think clem’s posting is scummy. Realised that was unclear

Which posts are you talking about?

1846 is the most concerning post from me.

He states that he understands the wagon because of how inactive the slot was, which just seems incredibly fake to me. It comes across as trying to sound conciliatory and reasonable, but since when did inactivity alone justify someone being the leading wagon? Why would Clem, as town who knows Chickadee was town, support the idea of town wagoning her on inactivity alone?

The fact that it's followed later by 1869 makes it kind of worse imo? It fits my interpretation of Clem's posts being designed to look "transparent" and "carefree" without actually coming from genuine thought processes.

It also bugs me that Clemency came in to decry their wagon and then kinda ghosted but I guess it hasn't been that long?
Or are they posting a bunch and I just didn't realize?

I don't think it's been that long at all, the game is just moving fast generally speaking I think? They're not posting all that much though...like more than Chickadee, but nothing super notable. Their content has been basically empty though. Pretty bad scum defense attempt if they are scum, and my standard BoP for strangers makes me feel that's more likely to come from town just not feeling like dealing with the shit their predecessor left for them.

-Cerb

Honestly I think what you're using as a defence for Clemency is likely not too significant, and if anything is more reason to think them scum. If Clem's town, they don't need to care that much about the wagon on them. Town's objective is to find scum. Not post a flurry of posts that don't really mean anything and then disappear once it seems like that's not lessening the suspicion on them. Scum's agenda in this case is, first and foremost, to not get lynched. True, good scum will push through and continue "scumhunting" and trying to look town, but good town will also continue to be engaged with the game. Obviously the apathy could come from both alignments, but imo if anything scum are more likely to get disheartened from getting nowhere with their efforts to look town.

- DV

Not commenting on Clem/Chick slot here. I can say that being wagoned totally does affect my game and makes me not care if the wagon is peristant or continues long enough. I was in a game awhile ago offsite, where I did everything possible to convince everyone I was town and it either made no difference or it made everything worse. I actually lost complete confidence in being able to convince town to accurately read me, that I became totally discouraged and gave up. So, I freely admit that what you’re saying wouldn’t apply to me at all. I even got so mad, I temp self-voted in protest.

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Malakitty
Creature
DrewVa
Alonzo
Alchemist21
RCEnigma
BuJaber
Clemency
Wisdom
CheekyTeeky
pinturicchio
Fortian
Amzela

Take me, BuJaber, Fortian and maaaaaybe RCE out of this list and we have somewhat the same reads

[RCEnigma]

Is Alonzo scum that's blatantly not doing anything or one of those new age players that are all like "I'm going to be scummy and useless for reasons"

Sure, why not. If he doesn't think I'm a threat, and doesn't want to Lynch me, great!

not really what I was getting at but ok...

I didn't feel qualified to answer this but it's still been left in the air so.

I've only seen Alonzo as town, iirc he hasn't rolled scum in like a year or something absurd like that. However he does appear...eh....trolly? On day 1s and when repping into slots. From what I've seen he hits a switch late game and can easily bleed town. Based on that I'm sure he can replicate his town game. But that's all I've got.

[Clemency]

sorry i'm inactive because some irl problems came up
i was gonna tell the mods of my games i'd be v/la but i think i'll be available in less than 48h

[Clemency]

sorry i'm inactive because some irl problems came up
i was gonna tell the mods of my games i'd be v/la but i think i'll be available in less than 48h

not that i'm using that as an excuse
just play as if i'm there
this slot is hard to defend

[davesaz]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

[pinturicchio]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

Could be. In that case, I've explained all my votes like one or two posts later. A naked vote has an impact itself in some situations

[Alchemist21]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

Probably isn’t since he has 13/26 slots listed.

Unrelated, who is Toogaloo and why haven’t they ever placed a vote?

[BuJaber]

Nero made that multi vote post after making a comment that too many people were either naked voting or ok with it. Suspecting it isn’t a read list...

Probably isn’t since he has 13/26 slots listed.

Unrelated, who is Toogaloo and why haven’t they ever placed a vote?

He claimed that he can only hammer or he'd be modkilled.

[Alonzo]

RCE can be town

[BuJaber]

I am reporting that I have a negative utility to town.
I can ONLY hammer, and if I place a vote that isn't the hammer, I will be modkilled.

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I will openly claim now as well. I am

THE

Sylvester Stallone. I am not one of his characters he's played, but the actual person as my role. As the actual person, I must have final say in the lynch," i.e. I can only hammer. Don't ask why the mod chose to make my role and flavor as it is, I don't know. Don't ask me to vote if it's not the hammer, it won't happen.

[Alchemist21]

Well that sucks. I take it nothing bad happens if he’s just off the lynch wagon entirely?

[Alchemist21]

RCE can be town

Why are you voting Gamma?

[Alonzo]

I'm a hungry bear, he's a salmon swimming upstream.

[profii]

I’m back - anything good happen in the last 15 pages?

[Flavor Leaf]

That's fair, I just didn't like the way your RVS interactions continued into the day and almost solely revolved around Hebi.

Piggybacking, i also am top 10 posters in this game, and I was gone for a week, so I think this is a rather shallow statement that is being made.

I agree, I didn't pursue it since it's not particularly a strong reason.

I actually like this self admittance weak reasoning. Actually, I think it’s enough for a slight town read.