micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

skitter30 · Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:24 am

uh more something like

t/s = s/t >> t/t >>> s/s

(i'm actually not sure which is more likely to be scum, but i really doubt they're both scum and i'm not very confident that they're both town either)

ISO · Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:26 am

REL YO WASSUP

ISO · Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:32 am

In post 970, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 962, Irrelephant11 wrote:imo skitter/tw are only ever scum together
mm maybe I take this back

ye good one to take back

but I kinda get the paranoia on this

In post 986, Irrelephant11 wrote:can the scumteam be yuriko+not_mafia

yes imo
I acrually cased the first 100 posts on this basis a while ago but no one seemed interested so I stopped

wanna have a read?

In post 996, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think yuriko healing tesxx on like page 2 was partner-indicative, btw, I'm not just pulling yuriko+nm out of nowhere or just based on activity

no I agree they have plenty of partner indicative stuff

ISO · Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:32 am

you are the best for this rep in btw <3

ISO · Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:33 am

In post 845, probs a robot wrote:I cordially invite any COMPUTER USER present currently or momentarily to embark on an adventure down the rabbit hole with me.
in tonight's episode of The Robot Had Too Much Coffee, I am going to a tunnel a {LHF rep'd out, LHF rep'd out} scumteam for about 80 posts worth of content and see if it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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In post 8, YurikoJasmine wrote:I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm
I compulsively comment on RVS to see if it suits the alignment which I believe a player may be, and so:
this can easily come from Yuriko as either alignment tbqh but it never surprises me to see it from her as a wolf.

in essence it's approaching the thread with a curious (>rand town) mindset with respect to mechanics (>rand wolf) and interacts with nobody (>rand wolf)
either way it's definitely a nervous tonality, may need to investigate her tones as either alignment later

In post 13, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 10, skitter30 wrote:
In post 8, YurikoJasmine wrote:I would be surprised if any of you knows me
Are we even supposed to heal ourselves hmm
i mean you don't have to but i know i'm town so

what do you mean by 'even supposed' to?
I mean, well, does our "Heals" towards ourselves count...

In post 15, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 14, skitter30 wrote:i assumed it counted since i could do it the last time this setup was ran
ah cool.

feel free to not answer this, but is english your first language?
I was taught and raised bilingual since young but majority of my society speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of Chinese
School and work is in English.
i do not believe this is intended to be manipulative, just high tier coasty
In post 20, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 16, skitter30 wrote:ah ok

your first post felt a little weird, like it was written a little strangely; almost a little forced somehow? but i realized from your next post that you might not be a native english speaker

so i'm not going to really consider weird tonal things from you as being much ai either way
Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist
i mean yeah uncomfortable/inconsistent tonality is scummy
not really sure what the motivation in lolvoting the person itt engaging with you is but whatever, it's not towny and not particularly wolfy

In post 22, YurikoJasmine wrote::shrug: people don’t appreciate humour nowadays

@skitter: that question was genuine tho, would want some feedback from you
w h o
c a r e s
In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30
eh actually not sure s/s if tes enters the thread voting with his buddy
heal wise this is optimal s/s for tes' entrance strategy i'm just not sure about the vote

In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?
Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply
wolfy but nsg picked up on it quicker than me
actually jumping ahead in time, i think this:

In post 95, YurikoJasmine wrote:I dislike northsidegal (I keep reading her name as “nothingsideal”)’s overall fishing style, asking questions that are either obvious (#27) and spec-related (#49) (what I mean here is that it sounds like a random question to a random person just for question’s sake).
is probably a wolf reacting to being asked a question she has literally no answer for.
on reflection it's pretty obvious yuriko is coasting here and has no motivation in waiting for skitter to answer the question. skitter's answer for the record is

In post 29, skitter30 wrote:i mean i've literally had arguments with people about how random capitalization makes their posts seem weird so

this is a very broad question, and basically it depends on the context (ie what's going on in the game, have i played with the player before, what they normally sound like, etc)

like if a post sounds constructed i would find that sketchy because it sounds like they're trying to craft posts to achieve some sort of affect. if i then learned that english wasn't their first language i would find it less so since they may not realize they used a phrasing that sounds a little strange when trying to communicate

basically i don't inherently view it as scummy, but rather as something to poke at to learn more about the context
which is a pretty detailed question which like a really good explanation of why she approached yuriko the way she did early in the game (wouldn't say it's potently AI within the context of skitter's meta but I would expect an explanation of this quality to evoke some kind of reaction especially if Yuriko was actually holding up on reading slots for skitter to answer it. for the record, yuriko's next comment on skitter was in her read list here

yuriko wrote:Re: skitter and my language issue, my own stance being, being weird =/= being scum, but being defensive is. I think #29 was a decent response and is not defensive (what I would expect from scum: something along the line of "I didn't say you were scummy! But you're still weird!"). I don't like how she asked northsidegal to elaborate her (northsidegal's) reads but refused to elaborate her (skitter's) own reads.
which is like a terrific way of completely ducking the fact she asked a pointless question and got called out on it

her reactionarily scumreading nsg without ever bothering to engage her for asking 'obvious questions' when personally i'm still baffled what the fuck yuriko was trying to accomplish is probably fairly filthy, idk if it's an experience level/playstyle thing or i'm starting to tunnel so someone pls stop me if this sounds like it's just A Thing Townies Do and i'm being bad

anyway back to post 25

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In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30
Why vote skitter?
i do want to s/s read this a little bit
kinda doubt town watching town voting with them during rvs bothers to question the other town's vote on a slot they've expressed a level of discomfort in
also kinda doubt scum watching town sheeping them onto a wagon ignores all of the townie's comments and asks why they've followed their vote
probs a fair reaction to seeing your literal scumbuddy voting with you in rvs

again please tell me if i'm being stupid
In post 27, northsidegal wrote:
In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply
is your read on skitter contingent on how she answers that question?
nsg #goodposting
spoiler: it's not and yuriko doesn't think it is
In post 48, TesXX wrote:More posts to come later obviously but here are some first thoughts.
Page 1
In post 5, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thank god the game finally started
Also thank god I’m Town
I'm really not sure if this is meant to be ironic or not, but if he's legit opening with "thank God I'm town" that definitely seems lamist as fuck.
i have consulted with my databases once again and once again they have provided an adequate reaction:
THIS SUX.
In post 48, TesXX wrote:
In post 18, The Dark Wanderer wrote:HEAL: Gamma Emerald
HEAL: The Dark Wanderer

the way that gamma emerald entered the game feels town to me. dont think that he, as wolf, enters the game expressing his relief at having rolled town
Disagreed. It looks really fake to me. Either this is newbscum trying to protect his partner or it's just bad logic.
ah, ye olde shade throw
town probably isn't exempted from doing this and i kinda like his newbscum thought but i don't like it a LOT
In post 48, TesXX wrote:
In post 17, The Dark Wanderer wrote:dva why did you single gamma out

also hi everyone!!!
This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)
waht
maybe he's saying it's weird to call dva out on singling out gamma after voting gamma and saying he's town but like??
i'm not sure i kinda think this was something he just felt like he should probably say that didn't mean anything, did he ever explain the post 18 thing?
the fact his opening post is geared entirely towards making two players look bad pings agendaey

actually i'm gonna use the scum word
it
reeeeeeeeeks
agendaey
In post 48, TesXX wrote:
In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:Overreaction spotted
VOTE: YurikoJasmine
This is the most suspicious thing so far. It's a response to post 20
mfw chainsaw defense p2
is this too much to be w/w?
also lukewarm hot take: his stance on gamma is fake
In post 48, TesXX wrote:
In post 20, YurikoJasmine wrote:Do YoU NOrMALLY find PEoPlE sPeAkiNg IN sTRAnge Tones sCuMMy

VOTE: skitter30
For being racist
Which, lynch me immediately if I'm wrong, seems like the most obvious joke ever. I cant possibly think of a reason someone would think its serious.
this is a really neat way to feathersoft defend yuriko without actually weighing into anything except tunnelling his chosen victims
In post 52, TesXX wrote:
In post 25, YurikoJasmine wrote:
In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?
Pretty null right now
Still waiting on skitter’s reply

In post 23, The Dark Wanderer wrote:hi yuriko! do you have any thoughts about anyone?

In post 24, TesXX wrote:I have a foolproof plan everyone.
Scum is either the first 2 people to join the game or the last 2. Meaning the scum team is either northsidegal & the dark wanderer or DVa and skitter30.
With this information we can immediately townbloc everyone in the middle for autowin.
HEAL: Raya36
HEAL: Musicjax
HEAL: TesXX
HEAL: YurikaJasmine
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: skitter30
Why vote skitter?
Oh I'd been in a few games with her in the past and she was outside the foolproof townbloc
> tunnels two slots
> voting another slot
> claims vote is on the slot because he considers skitter lynchable

In post 52, TesXX wrote:
In post 28, The Dark Wanderer wrote:you dislike that question on page 1 to someone who has made no reads?

im not entirely understanding where your coming from on skitter, its not a confirmed villa but it's towny enough for page one. do you think that skitter is a wolf?
I will admit something in this gives me genuine town curiosity vibes. Kinda unsure on this one.
> freezes
> realises fake wolfread is really bad
> doesn't fix it
In post 52, TesXX wrote:
In post 41, skitter30 wrote:you might be town
Elaboration here would be cool.
asking skitter for more is probably nai, asking for an elaboration on a read which imo is fairly already obvious is probably not solvey
In post 52, TesXX wrote:
In post 44, The Dark Wanderer wrote:i should mention that in general i would expect scum not to feel the need to argue that the things that i was townreading him for were not alignment indicative but that's heavily personality dependent
This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.
and
In post 52, TesXX wrote:
In post 46, Musicjax wrote:VOTE: Skitter
Be more normal ok thx <3
Is this a joke/rvs vote or a legit one
highly uninteresting busywork question strike 2
In post 53, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me
objectively correct and i forgot how much i liked gamma's reaction here!
In post 54, TesXX wrote:
In post 50, The Dark Wanderer wrote:This is an incredibly wolfy post
Again, elaboration would be cool
i think this is genuinely frustrated but i know i get frustrated when i'm a wolf and feel like i'm doing good woofin' and people are correctly scumreading me for reasons which i don't like/understand so this is kinda whatever imo
In post 56, northsidegal wrote:
In post 52, TesXX wrote:This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.
skeptical about what, exactly?

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?
@nsg mind if i ask what you were angling at with this read? (since it's pretty well passed and tes is out of the picture now)
In post 58, TesXX wrote:
In post 53, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: TesXX
My vote in 21 was semi-serious with the intent of getting a better read on people, and your post responding to it was overall scummy, very narrative driven pushing of me
What I saw was a forced vote on someone making an obvious joke, and that was what I showed. If you were trying to get a read then I didn't see it.
ok
In post 58, TesXX wrote:
northsidegal wrote:
In post 52, TesXX wrote:This is a good point. Another thing that makes me skeptical.
skeptical about what, exactly?
Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team
ok
In post 58, TesXX wrote:
tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?
Nah
need to speak to nsg about this bc like
is there ever another answer to this question?
In post 61, northsidegal wrote:missed this:
this is an intensely good post
In post 66, skitter30 wrote:newbie 1797 i'm pretty sure is the one game
this was with the old newbie setup and he was 1sbp

without that i prob would have scumread him; he's kinda lynchbait-y

from what i remember he's like very forthright and he doesn't really care how he comes off if that makes sense, or if it makes him looks scummy. he just says it anyways which is kinda what i'm getting from him here, with him going through like every post like that; he jsut says exactly what he thinks without overthinking it

the try-harding feels kinda townie to me

(writing this out i'm realizing that it's possible he felt that way in that game cuz he was 1sbp and not getting lynched, but i think it's more how he approaches the game than related to the role, idk)
ah ok i need to read this newbie as well
i think from a tonal/agenda perspective he reads very differently here to his old town games. but i did read a vt game. i know lynchbait is lynchbait so i might just be chomping down too hard here but lynchbait can rand wolf as well and he's actually reading like he's just a wolf to me?

In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?
unfortunately this point means nothing (which i know gamma is aware of) but this is probably ~when the heat on Tes started to simmer
In post 79, TesXX wrote:Binally fack
Page 3
In post 61, northsidegal wrote:
In post 58, TesXX wrote:Skeptical of a gamma/wanderer team
can you explain agreeing that his argument for gamma being town is a "good point" and also thinking that it makes them both more likely to be scum? that seems pretty contradictory to me.
No. Skeptical as in I'm LESS certain they're a scumteam.
Still probably my best bet but it did sort of make me reconsider.
ok you still have no reads except for a really bad scumteam

In post 79, TesXX wrote:

tes, i have a question for you - would you say that you're playing deliberately to get townread?
Nah
would you say that you're playing as you normally do as town?
Well I mean this is my first ms game in over a year I think so there isn't really any accurate description of "how I usually play as town." Usually I change my play with every game because I'm trying to improve from the last game.
also, you missed this:
In post 49, northsidegal wrote:
In post 48, TesXX wrote:This obviously isn't a scumtell just to ask a simple question, but I thought it was worth pointing out I guess (judging by post 18.)
why?

what made that worth pointing out as it relates to post 18?
Yeah my bad I forgot this one.
I thought it was worth pointing out because I thought post 18 indicated a gamma/wanderer team and 17 added upon it despite not being that alignment indicative.
i'm too tunneled rn to work out if this is towny or not, i'll check/ask nsg

In post 79, TesXX wrote:
In post 64, The Dark Wanderer wrote:the way that he's discrediting the townreads on gamma feels like more like wolf paranoid about villas finding each other than villa who scumreads him
Uh no I'm discrediting the town reads because I disagree with the reasoning and think it's wrong. That's not wolf paranoid of townies allying that's me pointing out what I don't like.
this feels slightly overexplained but whatever, that's likely within Tes' townrange as well
In post 79, TesXX wrote:
he also called me a partner then backed off on that when I called him wolfy for it, which is exactly the response you'd expect if we were both wolves
No I was responding to posts page by page. I thought I made that pretty clear.
this answer feels like it's matched to the wrong quote
In post 80, TesXX wrote:
In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Gamma Emerald
Btw anyone else notice TesXX has me in his coalition despite scumreading me?
Yeah because of the fool proof coalition I made at the beginning
Since we're out of Rvs and I forgot to do this earlier, HURT: everyone for now
I'll try to analyze all the players tomorrow and get a better idea of what I think, maybe make a read list idk
i don't like this either but this bit is in Tes' townrange too i think
In post 82, The Dark Wanderer wrote:im gonna say I was probably wrong on tesxx, I think Skitter is telling the truth about this being how he plays and there are things that i like from him.

Also thinking that Skitter is town for bringing it up but I guess it is still plausible that she brought it up for towncred since being towny is more important than framing people as scum
...
thinking from that point of view there's not actually much motivation for scum tesxx to start attacking universal townread gamma emerald, it creates enemies and doesn't actually put scum in a better position here

so yes I guess my skitter30 and gamma emerald townreads are a sizable amount shakier than they previously were, whereas northsidegal is still very likely town and tesxx can be town as well

HURT: gamma
HEAL: tesxx
reminder to self to go check if tdw has built up on this tesxx read

this one
it's like not ground breaking but...... it's a read.........

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:39 am

wow I'm halfway through and would be very happy if it were just right (I have no complaints with it so far)

@skitter why is dva/gamma mutual townread a reason to say one of them should be scum?
Er, reverse that question, because I don't mean to put words in your mouth. Why isn't dva/gamma mutual townread enough reason to say they're more likely t/t?

DVa · Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:45 am

She's jealous of our love

ISO · Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:47 am

i think i've kinda spoken ~around~ that but not directly addressed the point:
i think there's a reasonable chance they're actually t/t and correct on each other but it's also an incredibly optimal weak spot for pocketing

out of the two i'd say dva's play has exhibited more good faith which inclines me to see it from a town pov. not that gamma's hasn't, his approach to solving the game has just been like..out of character, a little quirky and difficult to parse. it's not inherently wolfy, just harder to read.

ISO · Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:47 am

what made you see them and think "o hey tvt"? @Rel

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:51 am

well I'm reading up on early game and dva/gamma/skitter were at {dva + gamma mutual townread}, {skitter skeptical} on like page 5 or so and I'm surprised none of that has changed in 30+ pages, and given Gamma's unpopularity as a coalition choice at the moment I repped in, I don't think they're both scum trying to get the other townread (one of them could have gotten more towncred by dropping that read on the other by now, plus it's not ideal for scum to have both scum in the coalition anyway), and I'd also think the Gamma!read would have wavered if Dva were town and Gamma were scum (given Dva's pretty good at solving based on the newbie we played together)

does that make snese

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:52 am

HEAL: the worst

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:52 am

everyone heal the worst

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:52 am

845 comes from scum 0/1,000,000 times

ISO · Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:53 am

yeah i get you, but i'm not sure i see why dva's read on gamma would necessarily waver just because she's good at solving tbh
it's not compulsory for reads to change (my read on nsg hasn't much)

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:54 am

In post 1009, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'd also think the Gamma!read would have wavered if Dva were town and Gamma were scum (given Dva's pretty good at solving based on the newbie we played together)

this might read as an insult to Gamma's ability to read Dva but I don't mean it that way
I have no clue how good dva might be as scum, so idk how reasonable it is to expect town!gamma to scumread scum!dva

skitter30 · Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:55 am

In post 1005, Irrelephant11 wrote:wow I'm halfway through and would be very happy if it were just right (I have no complaints with it so far)

@skitter why is dva/gamma mutual townread a reason to say one of them should be scum?
Er, reverse that question, because I don't mean to put words in your mouth. Why isn't dva/gamma mutual townread enough reason to say they're more likely t/t?

Because i dont townread either of them independantly
like its possible theyre both town but im kinda having a hard time seeing that universe since i townread neither

And svs feels really wrong too

skitter30 · Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:57 am

I do think it makes sense for one to be pocketing the other tho

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:58 am

I don't think she *has* to waver on Gamma, but I believe her read *probably would* if he were scum and she were town, or she'd at least be less confident when I ask about it
I could be wrong but that's the premise I'm basing my read on for now
I definitely don't think they're s/s the more I think about it

In the world where one of them is pocketing the other it's probably Dva pocketing Gamma, based on their very early interactions (dva heals gamma, gamma then literally heals dva *because* dva healed gamma)

ISO · Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 am

you sure?

DVa · Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:00 am

In post 1012, Irrelephant11 wrote:845 comes from scum 0/1,000,000 times

Which parts stand out to you?

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 am

I think dva and gamma's postcounts (3rd and 4th, after tw and skitter) are both town-indicative for them
HEAL: gamma

pedit: am I sure about what, tw?
...........................................the post, dva. The whole post. Have you read it

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:03 am

.....maybe dva is scum and gamma is the townie she's trying to pocket/is TMI'ing (Gamma is often lynchbait in my experience, despite his energy to play and being fairly readable over time, and maybe I should actually expect Dva to have more paranoia as town)

ISO · Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:04 am

sub me for tdw and I can probably support that

DVa · Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:04 am

Guess I'm more surprised you've read the whole thing considering you repped in like an hour ago lol

It's not a short vote to process particularly when you haven't read Yuriko, Tes, or Gamma independently yet

Irrelephant11 · Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:06 am

I've read 80% of yuriko and tex by reading the first 7 pages, yes?
I've been reading Gamma's ISO alongside reacting to new posts