Excalibur [Endgame]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is part of the reason why I town read Elsa, btw. There's other personality based reasons, but Maria's interactions with the Elsa v. LLD situation betrayed a TvT perspecitve on that duel and a scum motivation for letting it occur.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

Dunn's been wrong on me before. Don't take his word for law although I don't know how this is "weird coming from me" given he gave no context on why that was weird from me. I don't get the point you're trying to make here
Pedit: LLD I get you're scum pushing me and stuff but I didn't answer because I was puking my guts out. Period

right but there's more than 1 person saying that behaviour was off. We're not always right but you can't discredit us both that way.

Also, your "illness" didn't stop you from posting things regarding Elsa v. LLD. So that's not an excuse, don't hide behind it. (Sorry you were sick )

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@UT and Gamma, these posts are evidence. I'm not gonna make a big wall case.

[MariaR]

The post in question you're talking about (the one me going you were right I'll explain) I was going to make a long lengthy post but I didn't because I was sick. I wouldn't lie about that. The effort into making posts like that is much harder to make then easier simple question answers. I don't expect people to believe me here so I'll stop talking about it.
Let's go down the road of 'maria is acting strange' why does that make me scum?
Atm my goal is figure out if LLD is town and the possibility of merlin or not. I don't think I'm bias in my read but I could be

[MariaR]

I asked myself about 20 minutes ago "am I scumreading LLD because I think shes scum or because even if I'm wrong people can't say I can't read LLD because she started this" I...do think a bit of it could be the latter but I don't think it fully is. I just don't think town LLD would dual me here. I look back and think and I just don't think she would. The whole "I would win vs anyone why do I pick LLD" is really bad. The whole stance of wanting to take me down with her is scummy too. I just think this is LLD trying to take down a (this sounds cocky) harder to lynch/maybe bigger player. So yeah I think I'm fine lynching LLD

[Elsa Jay]

Well the only other choices, Maria, was your own death or a no lynch. I thought i was obvious you were fine with her dying.

[MariaR]

If I thought LLD was town I would no lynch.

[Elsa Jay]

UNVOTE:

I'm always up for a good underdog story. Good luck, Lady. I will no longer contribute to your death.

In our next lives/game, I hope we can be friends. Have a wonderful night.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.0

Lady Lambdadelta [3] - MariaR, SirCakez, DVa
MariaR [2] - Lady Lambdadelta, Firebringer

Not Voting [12]

- Varsoon, Nancy Drew 39, Kokichi Oma, Gamma Emerald, Auro, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, Untrod Tripod, Something_Smart, VeridianCleric, Ariane, Elsa Jay

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-12-03 16:00:00)

[FakeGod]

Yes, you can vote no lynch. (or just let the timer run out)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gladiate MariaR

Why have people been making HURT tags, if they’re just going to be ignored? Didn’t you say we should kill EJ for doing this?

[DVa]

Gladiate MariaR

Why have people been making HURT tags, if they’re just going to be ignored? Didn’t you say we should kill EJ for doing this?

I mean, I do think it's more informative to see which reads the gladiators choose to ignore. And I think town is still better off in future dayphases by seeing how reads developed clearly today

[Nancy Drew 39]

i am not sure either of u are scum.
also not sure why ur in this hole where ur so sure of ur read.

This is why we agreed to go with DVa’s HURT tag idea - to prevent Yolo dueling - the very fucking thing that is now happening.

[DVa]

Nancy has post 1337 so she gets to be townread tomorrow

winky face

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gladiate MariaR

Why have people been making HURT tags, if they’re just going to be ignored? Didn’t you say we should kill EJ for doing this?

Elsa was giving me an ultimatuum, and I was fine to wait when I thought she was scum, but once I realized she was likely town I needed to make a move to avoid a TvT duel.

[Dunnstral]

HURT: UT
Wanted to talk about this during catch-up but I’m not focused enough to get through rn so I’ll just do this now
The post by Dunnstral I quoted saying I had a good idea of someone who could be scum, I was referring to UT. In BoR, FakeGod made a comment post-game about how he meant for town to use the desperadoes optimally when doing balance. So for UT to argue against that concept is a massive scum sign.

He wasn't in that game so this reasoning only holds for saying it's a bad idea

Well against Lady it'll be enough.

We have 5 days. If Elsa decides to duel anyone prematurely, denying us time, please murder them.

I don't like this coming from you because it looks like you said it in response to 990

There's something that's been off about you all game, and I didn't know how to put it into words, I think it's the implication you are giving out that you shouldn't be voted today for being a strong voice, but looking at your post history there are times where you aren't in thread for hundreds of posts at a time and then you don't really make a HUGE impact when you're here either, I don't know if this comes from you misconstruing the way you are playing this game or if something else is going on here or what



I am this far back right now and boy does Auro ever shut up? Feels like he's on every page, probably because he almost literally is

A few people are scumreading me, and DVa is hard scumreading me for my having engaged her and pushed her on that meta FoS.

This feels kind of misreppy for what DVa is saying

We have 5 days. If Elsa decides to duel anyone prematurely, denying us time, please murder them.

^ scum post

Yeah it is

[Dunnstral]

Gladiate MariaR

Why have people been making HURT tags, if they’re just going to be ignored? Didn’t you say we should kill EJ for doing this? :facepalm:

Elsa was giving me an ultimatuum, and I was fine to wait when I thought she was scum, but once I realized she was likely town I needed to make a move to avoid a TvT duel.

Seeing this now - why do you believe mariaR is scum? Did you ever explain

[Dunnstral]

Therefore, if he doesn't change his mind about going for the sword no matter what, and we decide that it's best to limit who takes the sword, I'll probably push to policy lynch him.

I won't be supporting this

My countdown to challenging Lady begins now.

(expired on 2018-11-29 01:09:01)

Noting this for LLD's challenge later

Ok 12 hours is fine then.

I support these:

HURT: Auro
LLD
Ariane

Curious if anyone else had a negative reaction to 371?

I didn't remember anything Ariane has posted

That post is pretty bad in that it looks like she doesn't care to do any thinking and just called a big post towny (which a lot of people have done this game)

Smart, I'm also gonna have to call you out for not even commenting on the recent events of my pre-determined challenge. I know we're having 2 different discussions right now, but you HAVE to realise it's bad your not commenting on me or Lady right now.

I considered commenting, but then realized I had nothing useful to say. Do you want to hear anything in particular?

I'd say that's true, but...

Curious if anyone else had a negative reaction to 371?

I don't see anything bad about it.

You legit picked Dva's offhand comment on Arianne out of our discussion and ONLY that. Your not calling me out for being scummy, townie, proactively giving an agreement or disagreement of what I'm doing. Your not looking into Lady, and at this point, I feel like that's intentional distancing.

The new deadline is 8:00 a.m. EST for my challenge. Just do

something smart

about it and atleast figure out where you could vote.

Say it now. Will you vote me or vote Lady? I know Auro and obviously Lady will vote for me since they've said as much. I want your opinion.

I like this post
Elsa in general has looked a lot better leading up to the lld challenge

I don't know how I'm going to vote. It will probably come down to which I am more afraid of: scum-LLD or town-you.

I don't see why you should expect me to determine this before the challenge.

Your not looking into Lady, and at this point, I feel like that's intentional distancing.

LLD is well-known for her strong emotional play as town and as scum.

I'm a logic-driven player who doesn't do well with emotions. I strongly doubt that I'd be able to get a better than random read on LLD, especially since I haven't interacted with her at all.

And I don't think LLD's even reacted to Jay saying he'll challenge her.

You're looking scummy now S_S

Regardless of what You think of my Town game, Smart, I'm always trying to get better. So please take this time seriously now.

I mean, yeah, sure, but you're kinda doing it to yourself by challenging one of the loudest players in the game.

LAMIST is what came to my mind.

What part of it strikes you as LAMIST?

This post seems to be falling into the same notion LLD has of herself
It makes me feel that if LLD was saying anything about it in the scum pt then S_S would have gotten that notion from there

It's just a bad post in general, not just because it's wrong, but because I can't figure out HOW he could arrive at that conclusion looking at only posts in this thread

[Gamma Emerald]

HURT: UT
Wanted to talk about this during catch-up but I’m not focused enough to get through rn so I’ll just do this now
The post by Dunnstral I quoted saying I had a good idea of someone who could be scum, I was referring to UT. In BoR, FakeGod made a comment post-game about how he meant for town to use the desperadoes optimally when doing balance. So for UT to argue against that concept is a massive scum sign.

He wasn't in that game so this reasoning only holds for saying it's a bad idea

Didn’t I already disprove that to you

[Dunnstral]

Really weird that S_S doesn't respond to that either, just keeps talking about something else

[Gamma Emerald]

Guess not

[Dunnstral]

HURT: UT
Wanted to talk about this during catch-up but I’m not focused enough to get through rn so I’ll just do this now
The post by Dunnstral I quoted saying I had a good idea of someone who could be scum, I was referring to UT. In BoR, FakeGod made a comment post-game about how he meant for town to use the desperadoes optimally when doing balance. So for UT to argue against that concept is a massive scum sign.

He wasn't in that game so this reasoning only holds for saying it's a bad idea

Didn’t I already disprove that to you

You were asking questions on things from post ~250 when we were in the 900's in current posts so I'm not sure why you're taking this stance with me now

[Gamma Emerald]

HURT: UT
Wanted to talk about this during catch-up but I’m not focused enough to get through rn so I’ll just do this now
The post by Dunnstral I quoted saying I had a good idea of someone who could be scum, I was referring to UT. In BoR, FakeGod made a comment post-game about how he meant for town to use the desperadoes optimally when doing balance. So for UT to argue against that concept is a massive scum sign.

He wasn't in that game so this reasoning only holds for saying it's a bad idea

Didn’t I already disprove that to you

You were asking questions on things from post ~250 when we were in the 900's in current posts so I'm not sure why you're taking this stance with me now

Alright you wanna play hardball we’ll play hardball. I posted that I realized I was wrong, but you decided to discredit me by attacking my working towards catching up. I’m gladiating you tomorrow.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not gonna rely on ever changing meta, I'm relying on the information she has given this game. Focus on this game.

That's gonna be a big fat nope. Most people, especially experienced ones, just don't follow universal tells. If you try to use tells "just from this game" on them, you'll fail to get anything useful the vast majority of the time.

I mean... if you want to ignore her reputation and challenge her anyway, I won't stop you... but you're likely to learn exactly what I mean by "loud".

Nevermind, there's this

It doesn't matter what she does in other games, she's not loud this game, she's not loud now even when she's challenging someone else

[Dunnstral]

Dva LLD sword

is the implication here that in LLD vs Elsa you'd side with Elsa?

I need to read Elsa iso but I haven't seen anything scummy so yes atm

Noting that this was pointed out pre-challenge

i think lld has to know on some level she would lose the duel if she gladiated so she isn't gonna do it.

We get it, you don't like me and you think I'm bad.

The feeling is mutual. Can you stop being a prick and actually try and read me for once instead of being forever wrong?

He's not being a prick though, he's right - aren't you gladiating MariaR because you think people could be afraid enough of her to vote her over you?

i am starting to think lld is town just by this huge consensus that she is scum.
such bad reasoning.

someone needs to tell me that is bad.

4 scum 13 town, that's 3 other scum if lld is scum, so yeah that reasoning is pretty bad

The more I think on it, the more this person just can't be town can they. Their positions are too out of line with reality.

Gladiate MariaR

Fine, let's make the other play. Polarize on two big names and make people make a choice that way.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta