Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[RCEnigma]

Clemency what are your reads? What do you think about anything in the game other than your slot?

[Clemency]

i'll have to re-read to back up my claims but:
creature is town 100% money back guarantee
DrewVa feels off to me
i still don't see why bujaber is being considered a lynch this game
nero cain is scumleanish

[pinturicchio]

usually suboptimal since other players could give you a biased stance of what happened, and the best way to have an unbiased read is well... Doing it yourself. RCE did a good job tho; Thor, not so much.

You are incorrect - i did a better job because I offered opinions upon the facts.
RCE avoided doing so.
Lrn2scumhunt

If he's town, it's his job to scumhunt for himself, not yours. That's what I meant. As I said, I agree with your opinion in that subject, but I don't think what he needed was an opinion

I agree it's his job to scumhunt.
The only way he's scumhunting by asking that question is to get people to offer views.
So I helped his useless behavior become scumhunting for everyone.
RCE did nothing and added to the post count of the game.
Gamma basically did nothing and added to the post count of the game.
I provided scumhunting.

But if you think people re-quoting other people's posts (which would be the theory 'best' answer to Gamma's question by your stated assessment here, or the secondary possibility of telling someone to go read who is providing us clear evidence they don't care to go read) then I submit you're doing it wrong.

What's your take on Tails v. DrewVa?
Not a description of it, but an opinion upon it.

Ok, you got a point, I'll give it to you.
Tails v DrewVa gave me no new info whatsoever, since I've been townreading Tails a long ago and suspecting DrewVa since DrewVa v RR happened. DrewVa seems to disregard any player who goes aggro on slots they're townreading or themselves; if they (DrewVa) were scum, they would've been doing a good job at distancing to some slots and buddying others, in case they flip at some point. Tails, on the other hand, has been pretty straightforward and I don't see any ulterior motives in his playstyle.

[pinturicchio]

nero cain is scumleanish

Mark my words: this is distancing

[Thor665]

but it's awful when i have to replace in to a polar opposite of myself

How does this possibly matter?

because there's a certain implication already on the slot, so it'll always look off when it suddenly 180's

Why would people suspect a change in play from a slot when a new player enters the slot.
It would be weird if there wasn't a change in play, yeah? You're not an alt of the previous player in the slot, right?

nero cain is scumleanish

Mark my words: this is distancing

nero is kinda coming off town to me, what are you seeing there?

[BuJaber]

People scumreading DrewVa do you have scum meta of Nancy being aggressive and all up in people's business? Because it feels like she took a confidence booster shot between overkill 1 and 2.

I know her meta arguments are pretty weak and her perspective seems severely biased I just don't see it being scummy for her.

[BuJaber]

Wisdom you got any new thoughts since you not-quite-repped-out?

[BuJaber]

I agree that Tails is probably town here.

[pinturicchio]

nero cain is scumleanish

Mark my words: this is distancing

nero is kinda coming off town to me, what are you seeing there?

Scum tend to project themselves into other players in order to create false scumreads. Nero said in his huge post where he explained his suspects that he believed some players were chainsaw defending Creature, including me. I think Nero tried to do the exact same thing he was saying other players were doing with Creature, but with Chickadee instead. After Clem arrived and did nothing to get off the attention, Nero voted for him saying that he's probably scum, but changed his vote quickly to other slot. That whole thing seemed off.

[BuJaber]

Gamma I would have switched to DGB if I thought there was enough time to lynch that slot but it seems futile. Why don't you like the clem wagon?

[profii]

Like, literally both Gamma and Proffi could have answered their own questions with 1 minute of skimming and the ISO feature.

sure because there is NO value whatsoever in finding out who jumps in and goes 'yeah man get on the wagon we need to lynch this scum'

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma I would have switched to DGB if I thought there was enough time to lynch that slot but it seems futile. Why don't you like the clem wagon?

Already said why.

[BuJaber]

Fine ... I'l ask specific questions.

What is LHF?
Have you played with Clemency before?
How would you expect someone to play in his position?

[profii]

ok I just ISO'd clemency

VOTE: Clemency


pedit: BuJaber - Low hanging fruit

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine ... I'l ask specific questions.

What is LHF?
Have you played with Clemency before?
How would you expect someone to play in his position?

LHF = low hanging fruit, he seems really easy to target because the reason is not subjective and he can’t really defend himself
I’ve played with him in several past games but he’s never remained in a game I was in until completion.
I don’t get the third question.

[BuJaber]

3rd question is hypothetical.. how would you expect a rep-in to a scum slot act in the situation Clemency finds himself in? Like why can't he be defeated scum?

[RCEnigma]

Gamma I would have switched to DGB if I thought there was enough time to lynch that slot but it seems futile. Why don't you like the clem wagon?

What changed from the time DGB was one of the leading wagons to now? There was absolutely a chance to wagon DGB and it fell apart pretty quickly.

[Thor665]

People scumreading DrewVa do you have scum meta of Nancy being aggressive and all up in people's business? Because it feels like she took a confidence booster shot between overkill 1 and 2.

I know her meta arguments are pretty weak and her perspective seems severely biased I just don't see it being scummy for her.

Are you claiming scum Nancy is never aggressive/town Nancy is aggressive?

Like, literally both Gamma and Proffi could have answered their own questions with 1 minute of skimming and the ISO feature.

sure because there is NO value whatsoever in finding out who jumps in and goes 'yeah man get on the wagon we need to lynch this scum'

Wouldn't that just be the people already voting the slot?

[Gamma Emerald]

3rd question is hypothetical.. how would you expect a rep-in to a scum slot act in the situation Clemency finds himself in? Like why can't he be defeated scum?

I’d expect them not to make such a mess of the situation.

[profii]

I dunno why Clemency is concerned a 180 is a bad thing


There is no rule that a slot has to stick to a narrative so if someone does that, it would be more likely to push a particular scum agenda

There are already 26 people who are all reading the thread and all see things slightly differently so logically you expect the next player to have their own view and not just be an extension of their predecessor

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Clemency (11):	Fortian (830),	pinturicchio (1599),	RCEnigma (1601),	Wisdom (1650),	davesaz (1658),	BrightEyedFish (1731),	Alchemist21 (1750),	Tails (1913),	BuJaber (2022),	Alonzo (2242),	profii (2288),
BuJaber (4):	DrippingGoofball (609),	Thor665 (1438),	Varsoon (1452),	Nero Cain (2147),
Tails (3):	CheekyTeeky (2070),	DrewVa (2120),	hebichan (2122),
Flavor Leaf (2):	Malakitty (1178),	Creature (1921),
profii (1):	Reasonably Rational (893),
Creature (1):	Flavor Leaf (2030),
DrippingGoofball (1):	Gamma Emerald (2195),
Not voting (3):	Toogeloo,	Clemency (1442),	Amzela (1827),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[pinturicchio]

I think this is relevant

[Wisdom]

3 votes

[pinturicchio]

3 votes

Actually two since I'm assuming the panda from Ranma 1/2 will happily hammer

[BuJaber]

Gamma I would have switched to DGB if I thought there was enough time to lynch that slot but it seems futile. Why don't you like the clem wagon?

What changed from the time DGB was one of the leading wagons to now? There was absolutely a chance to wagon DGB and it fell apart pretty quickly.

She was vaguely scummy before, but she continued not to post solidifying the read. And I didn't really sense that a lot of people were willing to vote her at any point during the game. Did you notice a time in which there was?

People scumreading DrewVa do you have scum meta of Nancy being aggressive and all up in people's business? Because it feels like she took a confidence booster shot between overkill 1 and 2.

I know her meta arguments are pretty weak and her perspective seems severely biased I just don't see it being scummy for her.

Are you claiming scum Nancy is never aggressive/town Nancy is aggressive?

Neither. I'm asking for confirmation that she can have this much range in her confidence or an explanation for her change in approach from overkill 1. My impression was that it's more than a playstyle thing it's a personality thing which is much harder to change from game to game.