micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

[Irrelephant11]

no I will not be; got busy when I wanted to be itt
skitter's wagon is the new popular one? Hmmm
Also nsg what do you want me to do regarding skitter? Just like, keep reading & sorting her or?

[skitter30]

Your gut is wrong

Maybe you ate some bad yogurt

could be, could be; all things are possible

tending towards you/dva right now tho

[Irrelephant11]

tending towards you/dva right now tho

Do you have a summary case on dva anywhere
if not can you make one please

[skitter30]

i haven't
i could but it prob wont' happen till later

the tldr of why i dont' like her is she just feels very flat and going-through-the-motions-y; i'm not really getting much of a drive/desire to gamesolve from her like at all

[skitter30]

also in the last few pages, questions have been asked to her and she hasn't really given a response, and she made a few posts that kinda feel like she's trying to get into the coalition to me, like this one:

can't be greatest coalition without me though

i don't know who she thinks is scum at this point either

[DVa]

I am trying to get into the coalition since I want this game to end on day 1. I know some people don't think like that but knowing I am in the coalition increases the likelihood the coalition is all town by 20%, so yes, I do want in. I don't think I've ever been vague on that point. What has been asked that I have not answered?

As for who is scum, I am currently voting N_M and I have been going back and forth on the merits of several other slots.

-The perpetual absence of Yuriko slot does not make it easier for me to affirm or deny the currently proposed solution of that pairing
-Part of me is a bit worried by Relly coming in, declaring TW locktown because of a very long post, and then agreeing that the two people who aren't here and won't defend themselves are scum. But I feel like there was so little content from Raya that I'm still thinking through this, and I can't refute the point that Yuriko is scum when there's very little town indicative content from Yuriko. It's also worth considering whether if one scum replaced out the other would as well I suppose. He's also insistent that I townread skitter when I kinda moved away from heavily scumreading skitter a while ago, I just don't see why she should be in my coalition
-You still bother me, mostly because your read will seem to be changing, and then you'll ask a lot of questions, and then your read will seem to change but it seems only the most marginal of tics, which still makes me wonder whether you really care about the answers to your questions, which is the same thing I have been wondering about you this whole game
-I've already talked about my frustrations with the worst even though I still think he's probably town, I more think he's just exhausted my patience

so obviously out of N_M, Yuriko slot, Relly, Skitter, there are at least two town. Considering two of those have barely any content, the other just replaced in, and the last could plausibly be playstyle conflict, I'm still faced with the fundamental problem that has confounded me for most of this game, which is namely that the people I feel like I can strongly townblock do not want either me or the other people I want in the coalition in their coalition, and with the prolonged absence and the stalled deadline I am at a place where I'm not sure whether I care about this game still or not

Three of those people are not in most proposed coalitions so really the problem for me is skitter, who has sort of floated in a nullish, slightly scummy direction, but Relly's push for her to drop her read of me and for me to suddenly coalition her seems kinda odd tbh. I don't know if he's just biased toward her but I think TDW seemed a lot townier early game and is making no effort to be political in his presentation or in his reads

[skitter30]

I am trying to get into the coalition since I want this game to end on day 1. I know some people don't think like that but knowing I am in the coalition increases the likelihood the coalition is all town by 20%, so yes, I do want in. I don't think I've ever been vague on that point. What has been asked that I have not answered?

i mean i understand this mindset but it's also low-key scummy to me because scum *have* to get at least one of them in or they just lose (whereas there's six other townies who can get in + town can still win if the coalition fails) - like i feel like scum would be more individually concerned about getting in than a townie

That and her reads of me and Gamma seem lazy

do tell

kinda wanted to hear more about this but i dont' think that ever happened

-You still bother me, mostly because your read will seem to be changing, and then you'll ask a lot of questions, and then your read will seem to change but it seems only the most marginal of tics, which still makes me wonder whether you really care about the answers to your questions, which is the same thing I have been wondering about you this whole game

a) again, since i said this yesterday, - the questions you didn't like earlier were not made with the intent of trying to sort people, but rather just to get them to post because i can't sort people if they aren't here; once we're actually having a dialogue i can work on sorting them; you're right, the answer to those questions aren't inherently important themselves because that's not why i was asking them

like i'm not sure why you don't like this and you keep bringing it up as a major problem

are there like other questions that you think i made that you view as pointless?

b) i don't move people out of null easily, and once i do i tend to stick to my read until i have a strong reason to change it

[the worst]

DVa given we're getting closer to the game being refilled and a coalition going through and it feels like your interest in being a part of of the coalition is rising proportionately, there's a voice in the back of my head telling me to be wary.

Thoughts?

[Irrelephant11]

I guess I could honestly just heal tdw because literally *no one* objects
idk why I don't feel like reading the ISO I just don't

15 minutes after writing the above and HURT: me
HEAL: the dark wanderer[/hurt]
TDW you should not be scumreading the worst

[Irrelephant11]

HEAL: the dark wanderer[/hurt]

lol

HEAL: the dark wanderer

[Irrelephant11]

okay
okay
okay.

HEAL: the dark wanderer

[DVa]

HEAL: the dark wanderer[/hurt]

what's funny is I feel like this sounds like your actual thought process

[Irrelephant11]

not really no
tdw is as towny as everyone says he is and I could spend my time being paranoid about the consensus status of the read (unhelpful, likely to get me scumread, and probably just incorrect) or I can just accept that he's town and put him in my coalition
as a replace in I am likely to get a lot of unwarranted suspicion if I am in the coalition and it fails. Anyway, I feel good about a lot of reads at this point, presumably better than most players feel about me, so I don't feel the need to be in the coalition unless my townreads request it.

dva vs skitter honestly feels like tvt but if only one is town it's skitter imo, so that's where I'm at.

[DVa]

kinda wanted to hear more about this but i dont' think that ever happened

you literally just quoted me expanding on that point

and this is precisely why I don't like you in the coalition. >ask question that has been answered already >shade people for being bored by your pointless questions >ignore the part where they respond and explain again >ask more questions that have been answered already

this is why I have 0 interest in trying to change my read of you because so much of your posts continue to feel like they are not made in good faith

[Irrelephant11]

so much of your posts continue to feel like they are not made in good faith

literally just the two of you disliking each other's *way of responding*


dva is there anyone in this coalition you're worried about besides skitter:
skitter
northsidegal
the worst
the dark wanderer

[Irrelephant11]

gamma

[DVa]

DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot

This is what the rest of you have slowly been coming to but now you want to fuck it up by doing skitter over me, so no, I don't really have a problem with anyone in the coalition other than skitter. the rest of that is the coalition I have wanted since literally the beginning of this game and skitter basically took it as an opportunity to first dive robot and then dive me to get into it

[Irrelephant11]

HURT: skitter
HEAL: me
how about this then

[skitter30]

kinda wanted to hear more about this but i dont' think that ever happened

you literally just quoted me expanding on that point

and this is precisely why I don't like you in the coalition. >ask question that has been answered already >shade people for being bored by your pointless questions >ignore the part where they respond and explain again >ask more questions that have been answered already

this is why I have 0 interest in trying to change my read of you because so much of your posts continue to feel like they are not made in good faith

no, i was trying to get you to explain how my reads on both of you were lazy; i don't think i was shading you or ignoring your explanation; i was trying to get you to explain it better because i don't understand your explanation

i don't think i've posted anything not in good faith, and i don't really understand why you're characterizing me that way

[skitter30]

DVa
Gamma Emerald
The Dark Wanderer
NorthsideGal
probs not robot

This is what the rest of you have slowly been coming to but now you want to fuck it up by doing skitter over me, so no, I don't really have a problem with anyone in the coalition other than skitter. the rest of that is the coalition I have wanted since literally the beginning of this game and

skitter basically took it as an opportunity to first dive robot and then dive me to get into it

explain how i did this

[Irrelephant11]

honestly the way skitter and dva have gone at it for so long really makes me feel like it's tvt, too
does scum aim to make enemies in this setup ever?

[the worst]

I mean
Wisdom

[the worst]

I'd rather skitter to you atm... sorry rel

[DVa]

explain how i did this

your meta case on music jax was literally 8 posts after I proposed that coalition

[Irrelephant11]

k
HURT: me
HEAL: skitter