Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[DrewVa]

Hey Thor, you were imterested enough to ask Pint why he's scum reading me. What do you think of his reasoning?

I don't agree with it but it looked town minded.
i town read him.

He is saying he isn’t scumreading me because he thinks I’m far more confident in this game, than in Overkill 1, and he doesn’t think that’s easily fakeable?

@Bujaber, is this correct?

So, the thought process isn’t surfacey.

Welcome to the conversation I'm already having with him - feel free to try to parse Post 2299 yourself.

Now, back to my original question again - why do you town read him for this. Let;s even say your interpretation is 100% correct - why do you town read him for it?
Please try to answer me this time.

Are you suggesting he’s hedging?

[Alchemist21]

Anyone townreads Gamma?

I do.

[DrewVa]

i'll have to re-read to back up my claims but:
creature is town 100% money back guarantee
DrewVa feels off to me
i still don't see why bujaber is being considered a lynch this game
nero cain is scumleanish

Does scum try to object to their counterwagon?

[Fortian]

DV's mostly taking charge of this slot, if we're still around on D2 I should actually have time to start devoting to reading through this properly and putting down some more detailed thoughts. But for now I actually feel very good about the Clemecy slot flipping scum, I think his attitude and reaction to replacing in and seeing the pressure towards the slot fits scum that doesn't know how to get out of this position, I think there's a severe lack of any real solving or scumhunting and I don't think this is how town react towards being run up at all. I'm pretty content with actually lynching in the next ~24/48 hours or so, not really a huge reason to run it down to the deadline here when the result seems relatively inevitable and obvious anyway.

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Just some random ~thoughts~ I guess.

Pint & DrewVa are my strongest town reads by a long margin, would bet the game on both slots being town here and neither should ever be lynched.

I'm decently confident that Varsoon, Profii, Tails and Gamma are town at the moment. None are on the same level as the people above but I'd recommend people put this grouping of players to the side for the time being; revisit/relook at later with flips and their posts ect but yeah, probably town.

Still think Toogs town but if he is then I really would like to / need to see some actual thoughts and solving from him, I get the whole "Can't vote, minimal influence on what's going on" type of thing particularly initially, but it's not something that can be maintained throughout the game like that at all and the longer it keeps going the weaker my read there is getting. Pretty much if you're town dude I need you to start playing the game soon.

I think there's been far too much focus/commenting on DGB for what her ISO is, it's mostly a series of useless posts but I don't really see much that's alignment indicative for her at all, fairly nullish on her. Think if we're looking at Chickadee!Scum like I think is the case, and if this isn't multiball (Probably is though) and it's one scum team there's a decent chance scum are trying to redirect focus towards her here, is something I'd suggest people re-look at later if that situation is actually the case, but otherwise yeah if it's multiball then this is probably nothing.

My town read on the RR slot is effectively dead, really concerned about their progressions of reads/thoughts and the lack of them.

That's about all I can think of that I wanted to get down right now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- Regfan

[DrewVa]

@Fortian, what about Bujaber, what is your read on him?

[Fortian]

@Fortian, what about Bujaber, what is your read on him?

Weak town read on him; can see some genuine progressions inside his reads and can see some questioning/actual solving attempts for him to try and resolve some of his question mark reads, example being his questioning people re; your meta/aggressiveness. I also kind of like his read on us here and think it's one that scum are slightly less likely to take. Only real concern I've got with his slot have to do with the way he moved on to Clemency here felt like it was a self-pres vote that was made to look like an actual read but there's some mentions of him scum reading Chickadee earlier on which makes that less problematic.

- Regfan

[DrewVa]

@Fortian, what about Bujaber, what is your read on him?

Weak town read on him; can see some genuine progressions inside his reads and can see some questioning/actual solving attempts for him to try and resolve some of his question mark reads, example being his questioning people re; your meta/aggressiveness. I also kind of like his read on us here and think it's one that scum are slightly less likely to take. Only real concern I've got with his slot have to do with the way he moved on to Clemency here felt like it was a self-pres vote that was made to look like an actual read but there's some mentions of him scum reading Chickadee earlier on which makes that less problematic.

- Regfan

Okay, thanks.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Clemency

[CheekyTeeky]

Is it just me or are BuJaber's votes missing from the VCs?

[pinturicchio]

but then you started projecting about the whole "people is defending scum" when nobody was doing that

I mean, I never saw Chick as really scummy and then I started scum reading some of the Chick voters and other than this recent spam posting he was being a lurksack so assuming Chick was town I wouldn't blame her for scumreading him. I think its completely plausible that a townChick that scumreads scumCreature says "oh yeah, lets push the town that's reading our scumbuddy." I mean, unless you are scum there's no way to know whether this is happening or not so it's odd that you are adamant that that's not happening.

This was one of those cases.

but unless you and Clem are scum together there's no way that you knew this situation called for withholding your thoughts.

I didn't understand a damn thing about what you said, and you implying I'm Clem's partner is hilarious. Now I'm pretty damn sure that Clem will flip scum and you know it, so you're trying to incriminate someone else. I think you picked the wrong person buddy

[Toogeloo]

Still think Toogs town but if he is then I really would like to / need to see some actual thoughts and solving from him, I get the whole "Can't vote, minimal influence on what's going on" type of thing particularly initially, but it's not something that can be maintained throughout the game like that at all and the longer it keeps going the weaker my read there is getting. Pretty much if you're town dude I need you to start playing the game soon.

Meh... I'll get to it if I'm still alive and we get under like 15ish players. For now, I'm cool just reading and vote counting.

[Toogeloo]

One more vote on Clem and I will hammer.

I don't have a read on Clem before anyone asks. I've mostly been skim milking this, but 14 other people can't really be wrong.

[BuJaber]

My impression was that it's more than a playstyle thing it's a personality thing which is much harder to change from game to game.

If it's a playstyle thing that you aren't suggesting is more likely to come from town her or scum her what's the point of questioning it?
You're losing me here.

Why is this difficult to understand?

Nancy was sort of awkward and lurky in overkill 1 (and flipped scum).
Here she's not.

If it was because of her personality then she can't just change on a whim, something major must be different for her to be completly comfortable here, hence likely town.

If it was because of playstyle, then she had chosen to be reserved and on the sidelines in overkill 1. It is very possible in this case that if she rolled scum again she may try a different tactic.

[BuJaber]

He did say that.
I asked him if he saw it as town or scum sided for you.
He claimed neither.
So my issue is - why am I wasting time reading him investigating a question that he doesn't think will tell him your alignment.

This wasn't clear at all.
It is obvious I'm townreading her because I've been saying it. But I asked for the scum!cases on her because if I'm wrong about it being her personality then her confidence becomes NAI.

[Malakitty]

Prod dodge

One of these days I’ll actually have a slow day...?

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Clemency (12):

Fortian (830),

pinturicchio (1599),

RCEnigma (1601),

Wisdom (1650),

davesaz (1658),

BrightEyedFish (1731),

Alchemist21 (1750),

Tails (1913),

BuJaber (2022),

Alonzo (2242),

profii (2288),

DrewVa (2381),

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609),

Thor665 (1438),

Varsoon (1452),

Nero Cain (2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty (1178),

Creature (1921),

Tails (2):

CheekyTeeky (2070),

hebichan (2122),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Creature (1):

Flavor Leaf (2030),

DrippingGoofball (1):

Gamma Emerald (2195),

Not voting (3):

Toogeloo,

Clemency (1442),

Amzela (1827),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

[Toogeloo]

Awesome... now I don't need to keep referring to page 92 to cross reference anyone trying to trick me and get me mod killed ^_^.

[BuJaber]

Is it just me or are BuJaber's votes missing from the VCs?

Are you on mobile?
You can't see it on mobile you have to quote the ISO and read the names within the table code.

[DrippingGoofball]

Clemency feels town.

[Thor665]

Are you suggesting he’s hedging?

He is hedging, read his posts.

While you're at it - for the fourth time - could you describe why you see those posts as town.
I'm getting really tired of asking you over and over - if you're being a wuss and dodging it on purpose please man up and just say so.
If you're just too daft to figure out how to answer a question I'll keep asking.

He did say that.
I asked him if he saw it as town or scum sided for you.
He claimed neither.
So my issue is - why am I wasting time reading him investigating a question that he doesn't think will tell him your alignment.

This wasn't clear at all.
It is obvious I'm townreading her because I've been saying it. But I asked for the scum!cases on her because if I'm wrong about it being her personality then her confidence becomes NAI.

So you're saying it's a town read unless your read is wrong.
I've seen her confident as both alignments - what does that do to your read?

[ruru]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Clemency (12):

Fortian (830),

pinturicchio (1599),

RCEnigma (1601),

Wisdom (1650),

davesaz (1658),

BrightEyedFish (1731),

Alchemist21 (1750),

Tails (1913),

BuJaber (2022),

Alonzo (2242),

profii (2288),

DrewVa (2381),

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609),

Thor665 (1438),

Varsoon (1452),

Nero Cain (2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty (1178),

Creature (1921),

Tails (2):

CheekyTeeky (2070),

hebichan (2122),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Creature (1):

Flavor Leaf (2030),

DrippingGoofball (1):

Gamma Emerald (2195),

Not voting (3):

Toogeloo,

Clemency (1442),

Amzela (1827),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

Clemency (12):

Fortian (830), pinturicchio (1599), RCEnigma (1601), Wisdom (1650), davesaz (1658), BrightEyedFish (1731), Alchemist21 (1750), Tails (1913), BuJaber (2022), Alonzo (2242), profii (2288), DrewVa (2381),

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609), Thor665 (1438), Varsoon (1452), Nero Cain (2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty (1178), Creature (1921),

Tails (2):

CheekyTeeky (2070), hebichan (2122),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Creature (1):

Flavor Leaf (2030),

DrippingGoofball (1):

Gamma Emerald (2195),

Not voting (3):

Toogeloo, Clemency (1442), Amzela (1827),

[davesaz]

Catching up I see several people calling the chick/clemency wagon activity.
My read on that slot is

not

based on activity, and yours shouldn't be either.

There was plenty of activity and other wagons to notice and respond to, and Chickadee focused exclusively on Creature.
Clemency has posted tons but hasn't attempted to sort anyone. The scumtell is

not sorting

.
This year I've nailed half a dozen scum this way. (there have been a few mislynches because of it too, so it isn't perfect)

[davesaz]

I will note that there are others who meet the criteria in this game, DGB being the best example. But DGB is very inactive, compared to Chickadee/Clemency who have been posting but not saying anything useful.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why are you town?

I remember like exactly zero things about you this game

Did you just replace in?

I’ve been in from the start
Why no response to my joke claim? Did hat SERIOUSLY not stand out to you?
This is practically a scumclaim from Creature given both his individual meta and the combined meta of him, Flavor, and myself.
VOTE: Creature

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeh, I'm not liking Gamma this game

Anyone townreads Gamma?

Why do you dislike Gamma?

He disappeared when I called him being unnoticeable.

I wasn’t posting BEFORE THEN either, at least here
This is a rather cherrypickish reason to scumread me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, it’s been established over and over in the past that I don’t respond equally to all games, it may take me a while to start reading through new posts in one game compared to another, and with the amount of times I’ve said it I’m preeeetty sure Creature would know about that. So him ignoring that to push me like this is hella sketchy.