A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Jingle]

Varsoon was Titus, yes? b/c Vecna was defending Titus.

Oh, okay. I don't think I cared about that part of the game.

[Nero Cain]

Why not?

[northsidegal]

on the flipside, I think JJH is pretty scummy and NSG is using his activity as a town tell.

no i'm not. (at least, not as my own tell for reading him)

[northsidegal]

to everyone asking nico why she's not putting more effort into casing me: why are you trying to give scum an out when you see something that is pretty objectively a scumtell? it's like you notice something that makes someone scum and then decide to give them the advice to stop doing that when the correct response there is to realize that it makes her scum (especially in this case specifically, even moreso than in a regular game where it could just be something like a newbie-tell)

[northsidegal]

no i'm not. (at least, not as my own tell for reading him)

not as my *only tell

[northsidegal]

does nicorobin have literally any reason to believe the existence of a redirector or did she just kind of make that up?

[Nero Cain]

Whats the rest?

[Nero Cain]

Wasn't it Jingle that brought up that there was a redirector?

[Nero Cain]

Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.

or did Nico say something b4 this?

[northsidegal]

Whats the rest?

his depth of thought. his investment into the game in the first place (i.e. it seems like he very much actually cares about winning which i think is less visible in his scumgames)

i think all of his setup spec likely comes from town

i think his reasons for how he played around mastina and her role are all completely logical and reasonable for town!him to actually think whereas as scum i imagine his justification would've been worse

-shrug-

i just don't think i'm ever wrong here. i really don't think JJH is a hard player to sort, so in some sense i'm a little surprised that there seems to be so much confusion (although i can understand it as just people being unfamilair with his scum play as well as having some aversion to meta, neither of which are true for me)

[northsidegal]

Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.

or did Nico say something b4 this?

if nicorobin is town,

she

was redirected last night to someone else. that kind of precludes meme men having been redirected on the same night (presumably)

what's more, i'm not even sure how a redirector and a parity cop would resolve.

[Nero Cain]

Well, I mean you're scum reading me so you don't seem all that great at meta. idk. I think its plenty possible that he hard defends Mastina.

[jjh927]

Oh yeah, forgot this in the roles thing. IF NR is town, we also have a redirector/busdriver type role that moved her from jjh to me on N3.

or did Nico say something b4 this?

if nicorobin is town,

she

was redirected last night to someone else. that kind of precludes meme men having been redirected on the same night (presumably)

what's more, i'm not even sure how a redirector and a parity cop would resolve.

We're actually on day 5 here not day 4

[THE MEME MEN]

to everyone asking nico why she's not putting more effort into casing me: why are you trying to give scum an out when you see something that is pretty objectively a scumtell? it's like you notice something that makes someone scum and then decide to give them the advice to stop doing that when the correct response there is to realize that it makes her scum (especially in this case specifically, even moreso than in a regular game where it could just be something like a newbie-tell)

I mean, I'm not even sure it is a scum tell, it mostly just makes her incomprehensible to me. Usually scum are faster to defend themselves tbh, but town would have taken a swing at you at some point as well rather than just qqing, so



-rh

[northsidegal]

wow. it's impressive how wrong you are in just a single sentence.

1) i'm not scumreading you. you are among a pool of people who i am not townreading. there is a distinction.
2) i haven't

done

any meta on you, so my read on you could not at all indicate my level of proficiency when it comes to using meta to read people. if you think there's an obvious distinction between your towngame and scumgame, i'd love to take a look if you could link me some recent town and scumgames.


as for it being possible that he hard defends mastina: sure. i mean, it's not like it's impossible that he, as scum, would hard defend mastina. that small detail is pretty irrelevant to him being town by play though, i would argue. like, even if creature had hard defended scum or something this game, i would still say that he's more likely to be town – do you see what i'm getting at?

[northsidegal]

here's me catching jjh as scum on page 5, before i even knew about his meta. later on in the day i

did

look at his meta and it made things even more obvious.


i'm honestly getting kind of tired of talking so much about jjh and why he's town and i don't understand how or why people keep asking me about it.

[Shoshin]

Jjh is definitely town. Besides just being town from his play (especially early on), there's no way scum defends Mastina the way he did, just very very unlikely.

[Shoshin]

Nero's just probably scum, NSG. So don't worry too much about convincing him. The guy thinks I'm scum lol...

[northsidegal]

glad someone agrees. i'm gonna stop bringing it up now (despite loving every chance i get to link to how amazing i was of course in open 728)

[Jingle]

what's more, i'm not even sure how a redirector and a parity cop would resolve.

Standard redirector would probs just give a result of Same Alignment (because he'd target the same person twice).

That said, Busdriver wouldn't necessarily be detectable, and nonstandard redirector could do just about anything.

Also, the existence of a role like that is only self evident if NR is telling the truth about having targeted jjh initially. (Yesterday)

[Shoshin]

Hey Jingle, how are things going on your end? Any update on your reads?

[Firebringer]

glad someone agrees. i'm gonna stop bringing it up now (despite loving every chance i get to link to how amazing i was of course in open 728)

if u want i can brag for u. just give me the codeword

[Nero Cain]

I mean sure. Like its equally plausible that he's wrong town and scum that hard defended his buddy. You could argue he's null. At some point i need to re iso him b/c I can't remember anything he's done besides defend Mastina.

[Shoshin]

probably nothing. I mean, you want to talk to fire b/c he's conftown. We had a conftowm before Fire that you never tried to work with. So I kinda agree with Fire in that in looks like you are buddying him but I'm not going to lynch you until we lynch the other 3 scum and the game is still going on.

btw this is a good example of why Nero's scum. Like, Fire understandably got paranoid that I was trying to buddy up to him... and I said as much. But Nero goes a step further and starts stoking Fire's paranoia with questions that Nero himself admits don't have any scumhunting direction or intent... he's just trying to make Fire more paranoid of me, which is a really scummy thing to do because that's how scum get town to mislynch townies...

[Firebringer]

okay shoshin but even so nero isn't advocating for ur lynch, and would u agree u are likely to die within a few days anyways given ur role?