A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Nero Cain]

this game started with 5 scum. We've lynched 2. This means there are 3 left.

[Firebringer]

you guys are being stupid and being hyperfocused on something being a scumtell that actually comes from town game after game after game

all the while ignoring actual alignment-relevant information

is it funny i have no idea who this is directed at

you could probably quote it at a lot of people in almost any game really

i am considering sigging it post game lol

[Shoshin]

I didn't know who Shiro/Sora was and it was poe based on just not knowing.

[Shoshin]

Fire's been pushing town this whole game. He pushed my strongest townreads early in the game (Vax, and Chick), as well as countless other townies throughout. Sure, maybe he pushed some scum at various points, but never with the conviction or passion that he pushed town with.

[Shoshin]

Nero

been pushing town this whole game. He pushed my strongest townreads early in the game (Vax, and Chick), as well as countless other townies throughout. Sure, maybe he pushed some scum at various points, but never with the conviction or passion that he pushed town with.

I mean Nero. Not Fire.

[Firebringer]

nero sux at the mafias

[Shoshin]

Hmm, I guess I could check meta...

[Nero Cain]

I've spent a fair time pushing scum

hey buddy u also pushed me and i haven't forgiven u for it yet

i mean, im just an ego and felt like the maria/beeboy hydra was scummy and I had a hard time getting that out of my head. Though tbf, I did say something yesterday along the lines of "I doubt that scum doubles down after Varsoon flipped"

[Nero Cain]

He pushed my strongest townreads early in the game (Vax, and Chick)

its easy to claim that confirmed town are townie. I also didn't push Chick so it feels like you are just throwing things against the wall to try and see what sticks.

[Firebringer]

u two can stop now.
ur not getting better reads on each other and ur only confirmation biasing urselves harder.

we can restart this argument tomorrow. neither of u are getting lynched today or likely even tomorrow.

[Nero Cain]

And you are still very much ignoring the fact that I'm not even pushing you right now.

[Shoshin]

Fire, why is Nero town?

[Firebringer]

Fire, why is Nero town?

> i don't think he has been trying to convince anyone he is town
> I think all his thought patterns have been natural
> i have read and came to similar conclusions with him.

[Nero Cain]

i don't think he has been trying to convince anyone he is town

So is Shosin scum for trying to convince us that she's mod confirmed tow?

[Lady Angel]

I mean sure. Like its equally plausible that he's wrong town and scum that hard defended his buddy. You could argue he's null. At some point i need to re iso him b/c I can't remember anything he's done besides defend Mastina.

Yeah it looks really, really bad on him. I'm not buying the side that people say "oh but he was just fooled by mastina, that's all." Nope.
That along with the no lynch vote on eod 4? That's also suspect of jjh.

And nero, you're correct, we are a doublevoter that auto wins any gladiate and we can parity cop check people. Please no one ask us why rc created this role lol.

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Anyway, so here we have exhibit A, nicorobin, saying on n3 she got redirected so our guilty must not be trusted. Funnily enough, vecna or whoever told us it's actually d5 now so our investigation was on n4, the night we were repaired. Her attempt to discredit us , that alone is alarmingly scummy enough. N3 she or jingle claimed she was redirected, but we checked on n4 according to those who have better memory than I.
Oh and Did I already mention nico thought jjh's claim was less believable than vecna's , for some reason?


We also have LA saying we're scum, and somehow vecna the 3-shot jk believes nero is scum .
LA could be scum, but that's nothing new.

Not sure why shoshin thought we were scum and now doesn't think we are, didn't see explanation for the leap.

-LH

I don't think I ever said you were scum? I was suspicious about your role because a doublevoting parity cop who wins gladiates is weird, but you explained it well enough that I'd believe it. I even more or less called you town in my bulleted list to Creature, and called you town due to your role and Mastina's being very unlikely to be on the same team.

Where'd you think I said you were scum?

[Jingle]

Why not?

Originally, because I thought I had a better reason to suspect Vecna.

Then because I tried sorting Varsoon by engaging him.

And then because Varsoon had flipped.

Honestly, I don't think I've read a single Titus post this entire game. At the very least, I don't remember any of them.

[WhemeStar]

like i would be willing to take a hiatus from mafia if jingle flips scum.
or even pay everyone in this game $10 through paypal if i was wrong.

Deal

Let’s lynch jingle so you can payup

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature's guilty wasn't a guilty for the reasons I pointed out

And MM's guilty isn't a guilty because redirector.

Nah, extremely unlikely

So why is Creature's guilty fake because of redirector and MM's ability isn't, eh?

No one said that about Creature, I think EVER?

[Vecna]

If it's 6 mafia, then it's Nico, Invis, Nero, and one of Jingle, Gamma, or Lady Angel.

Yeah, I can totally jive with these reads.

[Vecna]

i am neighboring jingle for the rest of the game.
i am confident he is town.

if he dies i will neighbor probably vecna

your top 2 town reads are the guy that passionately defended both scum and the other guy that wanted to use Masyina's role for 5 days and then bus her?

I don't understand how this question helps you sort my alignment. What would my answer tell you about my alignment?

probably nothing. I mean, you want to talk to fire b/c he's conftown. We had a conftowm before Fire that you never tried to work with. So I kinda agree with Fire in that in looks like you are buddying him but I'm not going to lynch you until we lynch the other 3 scum and the game is still going on.

Why do you think I'm scum?

I defended Titus on day2 for 1 particular post. And my defense went as far as to state that I thought she was town. I was tunneling to get mastina dead untill my jailkeep (almost certainly) stopped the nightkill.

Ill agree with you im not at all sure that Jingle is a decent target here though.

FB, did you say your neighbourise started working at the start of night already? If so, please prioritize me.

[Vecna]

Whats the rest?

his depth of thought. his investment into the game in the first place (i.e. it seems like he very much actually cares about winning which i think is less visible in his scumgames)

i think all of his setup spec likely comes from town

i think his reasons for how he played around mastina and her role are all completely logical and reasonable for town!him to actually think whereas as scum i imagine his justification would've been worse

-shrug-

i just don't think i'm ever wrong here. i really don't think JJH is a hard player to sort, so in some sense i'm a little surprised that there seems to be so much confusion (although i can understand it as just people being unfamilair with his scum play as well as having some aversion to meta, neither of which are true for me)

I 100% agree with this. If theres a scum in Jingle vs JJH, id pick Jingle every time

[Vecna]

Well, I mean you're scum reading me so you don't seem all that great at meta. idk. I think its plenty possible that he hard defends Mastina.

Are you really claiming your scum meta is different from your town meta? Because that scum game you had in Death note seemed like an exact carbon copy of how you always play as town.

[Vecna]

I mean sure. Like its equally plausible that he's wrong town and scum that hard defended his buddy. You could argue he's null. At some point i need to re iso him b/c I can't remember anything he's done besides defend Mastina.

There were plenty of memorable things id say. I feel if JJH actually is scum here, he deserves some reward, because itll have been the best scum performance ive ever witnessed.

[Nero Cain]

Because that scum game you had in Death note seemed like an exact carbon copy of how you always play as town.

I wasn't team scum.

[THE MEME MEN]

Just a note I'm letting left head take over for the indefinite future.

-RH