Excalibur [Endgame]

[MariaR]

Is it a reasonable expectation from town to submit to a governed Excalibur cop, at the cost of possibly being a NK? I think it absolutely is, since it helps the game move forward a great deal. Maria, do you not think so?

Maybe. I can see pros and cons for both I just know I cared about my own survival more to play another day then do 2 things I hate being `1) If I did have the sword be clear and have to kill myself later or 2) Just die outright so I took option 3) Not take the sword keep playing and someone else be clear.

By me not going for the sword we had someone that wasn't getting a lot of trs dead and a new clear. I don't see the issue here.
Pedit: Exactly

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also I don't see whats wrong with me not wanting to take the sword.

It makes no sense if you’re town. If I’m you, I WIFOM to throw scum off the track, hope no one else tries to claim it and 100% go for it.

[Dunnstral]

What do you think about my idea? Where Maria (and nobody else) claims the sword if LLD flips scum?

If this is the plan I refuse to go for the sword.

Like the whole point of me going for the sword is so I live ya know? If I die the point is moot

w/e do I rly have a choice I'll just die either by scum nk or by town lynch zz

I won't go for the sword...or maybe I will we'll make scum guess

I'm not doing it just so I can be a nk I rather play the game ty.

Tbf Dunn, this makes total sense. Why does scum!Maria say she’s not going for the sword, as opposed to making excuses for not being the one to claim it. Because FG, said that the potential swordclaimer can be NK’d before they can hypothetically become bp right?

Scum maria can't gaurantee that town goes for the sword

It looked like UT and varsoon were backing off it at eod

So if it lays there unclaimed after she said she'd go for it she's outted

Day 2

Excalibur is

claimed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-12-09 22:00:00)

You asked me why Maria did something, I responded why she would, there's no contradiction due to the sword being claimed - after all, Maria

did the thing

, and I was speculating on

if she hadn't done the thing

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also I don't see whats wrong with me not wanting to take the sword.

It makes no sense if you’re town. If I’m you, I WIFOM to throw scum off the track, hope no one else tries to claim it and 100% go for it.

What I absolutely do NOT do, is to encourage specific players to claim it, because that would hurt MY chances of getting it.

[Dunnstral]

w/e do I rly have a choice I'll just die either by scum nk or by town lynch zz

This one Maria

Why would you die by town lynch if lld was scum?

That's not the point you were trying to make though. You were saying I implied I knew LLD would flip town. How does this point relate to that at all.

Because that's what it looks like to me

[MariaR]

If I say I'm going for the sword high chance I die
If I do go for the sword I need to give it away or I die at some point.
What option made it so I live? Say I'm not going for the sword and let someone else take it. Pretty simple if you ask me

[Dunnstral]

Is it a reasonable expectation from town to submit to a governed Excalibur cop, at the cost of possibly being a NK? I think it absolutely is, since it helps the game move forward a great deal. Maria, do you not think so?

Maybe. I can see pros and cons for both I just know I cared about my own survival more to play another day then do 2 things I hate being `1) If I did have the sword be clear and have to kill myself later or 2) Just die outright so I took option 3) Not take the sword keep playing and someone else be clear.

By me not going for the sword we had someone that wasn't getting a lot of trs dead and a new clear. I don't see the issue here.
Pedit: Exactly

Option 4) Pretend you're going for the sword up until someone else hammers, then back off and list 4 other players to take the sword without there being any more time for discussion

[Auro]

Maybe. I can see pros and cons for both I just know I cared about my own survival more to play another day then do 2 things I hate being `1) If I did have the sword be clear and have to kill myself later or 2) Just die outright so I took option 3) Not take the sword keep playing and someone else be clear.

You wouldn't have to kill yourself if you got the sword, it's still not proven that it's worth suicides to get the sword to Arthur.

I didn't get the last part about someone else being clear?

I actually like that Maria admits to not trying to claim the sword, and not excusing this as WIFOM. Seems genuine to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What do you think about my idea? Where Maria (and nobody else) claims the sword if LLD flips scum?

If this is the plan I refuse to go for the sword.

Like the whole point of me going for the sword is so I live ya know? If I die the point is moot

w/e do I rly have a choice I'll just die either by scum nk or by town lynch zz

I won't go for the sword...or maybe I will we'll make scum guess

I'm not doing it just so I can be a nk I rather play the game ty.

Tbf Dunn, this makes total sense. Why does scum!Maria say she’s not going for the sword, as opposed to making excuses for not being the one to claim it. Because FG, said that the potential swordclaimer can be NK’d before they can hypothetically become bp right?

Scum maria can't gaurantee that town goes for the sword

It looked like UT and varsoon were backing off it at eod

So if it lays there unclaimed after she said she'd go for it she's outted

Day 2

Excalibur is

claimed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-12-09 22:00:00)

You asked me why Maria did something, I responded why she would, there's no contradiction due to the sword being claimed - after all, Maria

did the thing

, and I was speculating on

if she hadn't done the thing

Yes because presumably someone else -perhaps one of the surviving 3 of the 4 players she mentioned?, has it.

[Dunnstral]

Yes because presumably someone else -perhaps one of the surviving 3 of the 4 players she mentioned?, has it.

ok...?

Your original point was asking why Maria would tell other people to go for the sword instead of not just going for it

[Auro]

Option 4) Pretend you're going for the sword up until someone else hammers, then back off and list 4 other players to take the sword without there being any more time for discussion

Either she or LLD were gonna be lunched (using this word instead of "lynched") anyway, why would she backtrack only after the hammer? Scum!Maria would've been consistent about it from before anyway, right?

It never did really look like Maria would be lunched over LLD, too.

[MariaR]

Also I don't see whats wrong with me not wanting to take the sword.

It makes no sense if you’re town. If I’m you, I WIFOM to throw scum off the track, hope no one else tries to claim it and 100% go for it.

What I absolutely do NOT do, is to encourage specific players to claim it, because that would hurt MY chances of getting it.

Well considering I was never going for it in the first place that clears up your point

w/e do I rly have a choice I'll just die either by scum nk or by town lynch zz

This one Maria

Why would you die by town lynch if lld was scum?

That's not the point you were trying to make though. You were saying I implied I knew LLD would flip town. How does this point relate to that at all.

Because that's what it looks like to me

Looks like what? I asked what posts make it look like I know LLD would flip town. You've never cleared that up you're pushing a whole dif topic

Is it a reasonable expectation from town to submit to a governed Excalibur cop, at the cost of possibly being a NK? I think it absolutely is, since it helps the game move forward a great deal. Maria, do you not think so?

Maybe. I can see pros and cons for both I just know I cared about my own survival more to play another day then do 2 things I hate being `1) If I did have the sword be clear and have to kill myself later or 2) Just die outright so I took option 3) Not take the sword keep playing and someone else be clear.

By me not going for the sword we had someone that wasn't getting a lot of trs dead and a new clear. I don't see the issue here.
Pedit: Exactly

Option 4) Pretend you're going for the sword up until someone else hammers, then back off and list 4 other players to take the sword without there being any more time for discussion

I was debating it. You could see my thoughts in the thread until I said fuck it I'm not going for it. I listed people who should take the sword. Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in

my

list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes because presumably someone else -perhaps one of the surviving 3 of the 4 players she mentioned?, has it.

ok...?

Your original point was asking why Maria would tell other people to go for the sword instead of not just going for it

Yes, I’m speculating that maybe one of those 3 may have claimed it. What do you think of her straight up saying she didn’t want to claim the sword?

[MariaR]

It's not like me saying "I'm taking the sword" was the reason LLD got lynched over me. So why does me backing off from the sword make you raise a brow when other people did the exact same thing.

[Auro]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

Also, Something_Smart wanted Maria to go for the sword only if LLD flipped scum. If he was alive, he would've argued that it's fine for Maria not to have gone for it -- which leads me to think that scum may have planned a Maria push for today.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Also I don't see whats wrong with me not wanting to take the sword.

It makes no sense if you’re town. If I’m you, I WIFOM to throw scum off the track, hope no one else tries to claim it and 100% go for it.

What I absolutely do NOT do, is to encourage specific players to claim it, because that would hurt MY chances of getting it.

Well considering I was never going for it in the first place that clears up your point

w/e do I rly have a choice I'll just die either by scum nk or by town lynch zz

This one Maria

Why would you die by town lynch if lld was scum?

That's not the point you were trying to make though. You were saying I implied I knew LLD would flip town. How does this point relate to that at all.

Because that's what it looks like to me

Looks like what? I asked what posts make it look like I know LLD would flip town. You've never cleared that up you're pushing a whole dif topic

Is it a reasonable expectation from town to submit to a governed Excalibur cop, at the cost of possibly being a NK? I think it absolutely is, since it helps the game move forward a great deal. Maria, do you not think so?

Maybe. I can see pros and cons for both I just know I cared about my own survival more to play another day then do 2 things I hate being `1) If I did have the sword be clear and have to kill myself later or 2) Just die outright so I took option 3) Not take the sword keep playing and someone else be clear.

By me not going for the sword we had someone that wasn't getting a lot of trs dead and a new clear. I don't see the issue here.
Pedit: Exactly

Option 4) Pretend you're going for the sword up until someone else hammers, then back off and list 4 other players to take the sword without there being any more time for discussion

I was debating it. You could see my thoughts in the thread until I said fuck it I'm not going for it. I listed people who should take the sword. Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in

my

list.

It doesn’t make a lot of sense for you to have killed anyone on your list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

Also, Something_Smart wanted Maria to go for the sword only if LLD flipped scum. If he was alive, he would've argued that it's fine for Maria not to have gone for it -- which leads me to think that scum may have planned a Maria push for today.

Are you scumreading Dunn then?

[Auro]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

Also, Something_Smart wanted Maria to go for the sword only if LLD flipped scum. If he was alive, he would've argued that it's fine for Maria not to have gone for it -- which leads me to think that scum may have planned a Maria push for today.

Are you scumreading Dunn then?

Nope, I'm just much less confident on Maria being scum.

[Dunnstral]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

I don't think there was any real indication that S_S was going for the sword, though?

You writing a name down in a list doesn't matter

[Dunnstral]

Looks like what? I asked what posts make it look like I know LLD would flip town. You've never cleared that up you're pushing a whole dif topic

I pointed it out and moved on

[Nancy Drew 39]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

Also, Something_Smart wanted Maria to go for the sword only if LLD flipped scum. If he was alive, he would've argued that it's fine for Maria not to have gone for it -- which leads me to think that scum may have planned a Maria push for today.

Are you scumreading Dunn then?

Nope, I'm just much less confident on Maria being scum.

This is why we need to 100% stick to DVa’s plan to let the 2 players with the majority of hurt tags gladiate. Elsa shouldn’t have tried to unnecessarily played town hero by pushing LLD to try to save herself.

Had we had a duel that we had had enough time to decide on. we likely wouldn’t even be in thus situation. :/

[Dunnstral]

And I'm pretty sure I remember that you did agree to taking the sword before the lynch

[MariaR]

Looks like what? I asked what posts make it look like I know LLD would flip town. You've never cleared that up you're pushing a whole dif topic

I pointed it out and moved on

So threw useless shade with no real base or reason behind it and hoped no one would notice got it.

[Dunnstral]

No we had more than enough time to decide on a duel yesterday - you guys were too caught up in the mechanics to look at reads, and that's coming from me

[Nancy Drew 39]

Look who scum nightkilled. Someone in my list.

I don't think there was any real indication that S_S was going for the sword, though?

You writing a name down in a list doesn't matter

It does look good for Maria though because why does scum!Maria kill one of 4 people she suggested claim the sword?