Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Creature]

Nero is a fine lynch too

???

[RCEnigma]

there are definitely some bussing scum in there as well
bef/alchemist/hebi strike me as that the most looking at the wagon

And hebi/Nero makes sense too.
Change BEF for profii and we have a deal.

Take BEF and leave Profii out of it.

If we can't have DGB today I'll happily settle on Nero.

[DrewVa]

P.edit. Both Clem’s self-hammer to presumably prevent Toogeloo from hammering, plus Chick’s townread of Toogeloo are pretty damning, when combined together.


VOTE: Toogeloo

Why is the former scum indicative for toogeloo

If anything it looks like clem self hammered so as to not let toog confirm their role

Yeah but it might have just been just WIFOM and not have actually had anything specific to do with him. Since Toogeloo’s role, means he can’t vote except when hammering, I don’t really see why scum would consider him that much of a threat, to want to stop him.

[hebichan]

If you guys are set in your hearts on lynching me, with a d1 scum lynch and not night deaths, I'm not gonna stop you.

Till then. VOTE: Nero

The thing about toog is he could be an actual treestump and lying about the hammering thing.

[DrewVa]

votecount

With 26 alive it takes 14 to lynch.

Clemency (12):

Fortian (830),

pinturicchio (1599),

RCEnigma (1601),

Wisdom (1650),

davesaz (1658),

BrightEyedFish (1731),

Alchemist21 (1750),

Tails (1913),

BuJaber (2022),

Alonzo (2242),

profii (2288),

DrewVa (2381),

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609),

Thor665 (1438),

Varsoon (1452),

Nero Cain (2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty (1178),

Creature (1921),

Tails (2):

CheekyTeeky (2070),

hebichan (2122),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Creature (1):

Flavor Leaf (2030),

DrippingGoofball (1):

Gamma Emerald (2195),

Not voting (3):

Toogeloo,

Clemency (1442),

Amzela (1827),

(expired on 2018-12-04 02:30:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

Clemency (12):

Fortian (830), pinturicchio (1599), RCEnigma (1601), Wisdom (1650), davesaz (1658), BrightEyedFish (1731), Alchemist21 (1750), Tails (1913), BuJaber (2022), Alonzo (2242), profii (2288), DrewVa (2381),

BuJaber (4):

DrippingGoofball (609), Thor665 (1438), Varsoon (1452), Nero Cain (2147),

Flavor Leaf (2):

Malakitty (1178), Creature (1921),

Tails (2):

CheekyTeeky (2070), hebichan (2122),

profii (1):

Reasonably Rational (893),

Creature (1):

Flavor Leaf (2030),

DrippingGoofball (1):

Gamma Emerald (2195),

Not voting (3):

Toogeloo, Clemency (1442), Amzela (1827),

[DrewVa]

VOTE: gamma

I recall him not voting clem so he can go

Why couldn’t scum have bussed?

[Reasonably Rational]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

Because it makes you ask that question. There is now the appearance that scum was concerned about Toog's role claim. Others already inferred it might be a hammer powered role of some kind instead of specifically (or only) what Toog claimed.

Then there's Chick's post that Cerb quoted which is all kinds of bad. It's one of two things:

1.) An intentional red herring from Chickadee

OR

2.) Failed WiFoM by Chickadee

Raw probabilities vastly favor #2.

Since we've already gotten one person literally chainsawing Toog and attacking the idea that Chick accidentally linked to a partner (despite my intentional withholding of our reasoning for now) ... I think I'll see how much more hole gets dug.

Suffice it to say that I'm pretty sure Toog is scum here. The reasoning is sound. Nancy picked up on it and just needs to be more confident.

~D

[ruru]

votecount

With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Gamma Emerald (3):

Alonzo (2508),

Creature (2523),

Wisdom (2566),

Toogeloo (2):

Reasonably Rational (2516),

Varsoon (2520),

Nero Cain (2):

pinturicchio (2509),

hebichan (2578),

DrippingGoofball (1):

RCEnigma (2510),

Flavor Leaf (1):

profii (2511),

Not voting (16):

Flavor Leaf,

Malakitty,

Alchemist21,

Toogeloo,

BuJaber,

Tails,

davesaz,

DrippingGoofball,

Gamma Emerald,

Thor665,

CheekyTeeky,

BrightEyedFish,

Fortian,

Nero Cain,

Amzela,

DrewVa (2571),

(expired on 2018-12-17 18:30:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

Gamma Emerald (3):

Alonzo (2508), Creature (2523), Wisdom (2566),

Toogeloo (2):

Reasonably Rational (2516), Varsoon (2520),

Nero Cain (2):

pinturicchio (2509), hebichan (2578),

DrippingGoofball (1):

RCEnigma (2510),

Flavor Leaf (1):

profii (2511),

Not voting (16):

Flavor Leaf, Malakitty, Alchemist21, Toogeloo, BuJaber, Tails, davesaz, DrippingGoofball, Gamma Emerald, Thor665, CheekyTeeky, BrightEyedFish, Fortian, Nero Cain, Amzela, DrewVa (2571),

[DrewVa]

Spoiler:

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.

I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.

So Chickadee, I see you're voting creature for lack of presence. Why his lack of presence specifically? And not say, Drip, or majiffy, or thor.

P.edit:

Or Mala who I forgot was in this game.

Because I find sorting Creature easy, and sorting Creature has always largely been dependent on activity.

I'm not familiar with DGB, so I'm giving that slot time to see what other people come up with, and what that slot does.
I'll sort Majiffy before days end. Of that I'm sure. I've never sorted Majiffy incorrectly.
I've played a few games with Thor, but don't feel confident in reading him atm.

So with Creature I go.

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

.......

Ugh toog that just ruined my TR on you

:\

Oh?

This seems an odd reason to lose a TR

I disagree. I think it's a perfectly acceptable reason to lose a town read. It's an odd post.

Yeah I'm on antibiotics right now and my cough has gotten much much better
<3

Good!

I'm probably only a few days behind you...

D:

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.

I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.

What is it about the post that you think makes that post more likely to come from scum?

Right now i'm very worried that your initial post about it was a vague attempt at sounding useful without actually coming from a genuine place. Especially given that I think your explanations since don't really make sense of why you'd jump in to defend Mala like that.

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Also I seriously don't get all the hysteria surrounding Creature's posting. That was all more anti-town than Creature's posting was imo.

-DV

All I meant was that I don't scum read Mala for the conclusion she made.

Wow, this is really strange. How did I miss this? Chick did a complete 180 on her Toogeloo read to defend Mala. And then she does it again after Mala complains about Creature.

[Reasonably Rational]

If you guys are set in your hearts on lynching me, with a d1 scum lynch and not night deaths, I'm not gonna stop you.

Till then. VOTE: Nero

The thing about toog is

he could be an actual treestump and lying about the hammering thing.

Walk me through the assumptions that lead to this conclusion please?

~D

[davesaz]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

If Toogeloo’s role is fake. Normally, you’d be absolutely right about that. But don’t you think there’s some weird associatives with Clem’s self-hammering - to according to him, prevent Toogeloo from hammering and Chick’s Toogeloo defense? Either one alone, wouldn’t have made me think that. Do you think Clem just wanted to die anyway and tried to shade Toogeloo? I suppose that is also possible.

If his claim was fake, letting him hammer would make much more sense than not letting him hammer. Unless Toog's role was "if you hammer one of your partners you die", which makes NO sense at all. Also, I don't think Chick's post was a defense, since there was a lot of consensus on Toog being town. I see that post much more like a "look at me I'm doing something", contributing nothing new to the game, than a defense.

I agree with this interpretation.

[DrewVa]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

Because it makes you ask that question. There is now the appearance that scum was concerned about Toog's role claim. Others already inferred it might be a hammer powered role of some kind instead of specifically (or only) what Toog claimed.

Then there's Chick's post that Cerb quoted which is all kinds of bad. It's one of two things:

1.) An intentional red herring from Chickadee

OR

2.) Failed WiFoM by Chickadee

Raw probabilities vastly favor #2.

Since we've already gotten one person literally chainsawing Toog and attacking the idea that Chick accidentally linked to a partner (despite my intentional withholding of our reasoning for now) ... I think I'll see how much more hole gets dug.

Suffice it to say that I'm pretty sure Toog is scum here. The reasoning is sound. Nancy picked up on it and just needs to be more confident.

~D

What do you think of the recent Chick posts, I referenced? Both of her Mala defenses are weird or Chick could just be really bad at hedging?

She both hardtown reads Toogeloo but doesn’t blame anyone for scumreading him, due to his “oh it exists” post. What do you make of that?

[profii]

Why would a scum self hammer to prevent his partner from hammering. That makes no sense

If Toogeloo’s role is fake. Normally, you’d be absolutely right about that. But don’t you think there’s some weird associatives with Clem’s self-hammering - to according to him, prevent Toogeloo from hammering and Chick’s Toogeloo defense? Either one alone, wouldn’t have made me think that. Do you think Clem just wanted to die anyway and tried to shade Toogeloo? I suppose that is also possible.

If his claim was fake, letting him hammer would make much more sense than not letting him hammer. Unless Toog's role was "if you hammer one of your partners you die", which makes NO sense at all. Also, I don't think Chick's post was a defense, since there was a lot of consensus on Toog being town. I see that post much more like a "look at me I'm doing something", contributing nothing new to the game, than a defense.

I am going with this - I think Drewvas theory is maybe too complicated

[DrewVa]

Remember liking these for town so far
Varsoon
Creature
RCEnigma
BrightEyedFish
pinturicchio

Need to dive
Reasonably Rational (Drixx & Cerb)
Fortian (DeasVail & Regfan)
hebichan
Nero Cain
Amzela
Malakitty
Toogeloo

Tails

Not Charmander
DrippingGoofball
Thor665
CheekyTeeky

Not so town
Flavor Leaf -- Would such an honest fellow lie about being SK? I think not
Alonzo -- Alonzo is trying really hard to be cute and that's MY JOB
Alchemist21 -- Still think he's way too funny to be town here, as town in Dolphins he was Mr. Serious Alchemist
BuJaber -- Doesn't smell townie, probably mafia, I should really look for some associatives here maybe
Wisdom -- He's pinged me a few times but I also like a lot of his analysis so maybe we just follow the busses for a while
profii -- Need to reread this actually but don't remember him being townie
Gamma Emerald -- Made a few off posts and I don't like his read of Creature atm
davesaz -- Seems really passive so far

8 "not townreads"... that's probably too many. Need to decide if I look for town in my scumreads or bother looking for scum in my nullreads. Unfortunately my scumread reads are pretty wack right now so maybe I just see if any of my nulls are scummier than {FL/Alonzo/Alch/BJ} who are all "funny people" scumreads which I don't think is actually that useful of a metric now that I think about it. I'll see if I can't get to those suggested dives tonight Nancy

--DVa

[Nero Cain]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

[Alchemist21]

Of all the reasons to be scumread, being too funny is one I could live with.

[Alchemist21]

Also re: Gamm, he looks for serious gamesolvey Alch too to Townread me and you’ll see a couple posts from him this game reaching out to me to make those kinds of posts which is why I’m Townreading him.

[Creature]

Spoiler:

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.

I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.

So Chickadee, I see you're voting creature for lack of presence. Why his lack of presence specifically? And not say, Drip, or majiffy, or thor.

P.edit:

Or Mala who I forgot was in this game.

Because I find sorting Creature easy, and sorting Creature has always largely been dependent on activity.

I'm not familiar with DGB, so I'm giving that slot time to see what other people come up with, and what that slot does.
I'll sort Majiffy before days end. Of that I'm sure. I've never sorted Majiffy incorrectly.
I've played a few games with Thor, but don't feel confident in reading him atm.

So with Creature I go.

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

.......

Ugh toog that just ruined my TR on you

:\

Oh?

This seems an odd reason to lose a TR

I disagree. I think it's a perfectly acceptable reason to lose a town read. It's an odd post.

Yeah I'm on antibiotics right now and my cough has gotten much much better
<3

Good!

I'm probably only a few days behind you...

D:

Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?

I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.

I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.

What is it about the post that you think makes that post more likely to come from scum?

Right now i'm very worried that your initial post about it was a vague attempt at sounding useful without actually coming from a genuine place. Especially given that I think your explanations since don't really make sense of why you'd jump in to defend Mala like that.

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Also I seriously don't get all the hysteria surrounding Creature's posting. That was all more anti-town than Creature's posting was imo.

-DV

All I meant was that I don't scum read Mala for the conclusion she made.

Wow, this is really strange. How did I miss this? Chick did a complete 180 on her Toogeloo read to defend Mala. And then she does it again after Mala complains about Creature.

I wonder how long it'll take for Malakitty to catch up first though.

[Creature]

Alchemist21 -- Still think he's way too funny to be town here, as town in Dolphins he was Mr. Serious Alchemist

This is actually a good reason.

[Creature]

davesaz -- Seems really passive so far

???

[Creature]

Wait, let me check something from Gamma

[Creature]

Self-reminder Gamma is town

Now I need to remember why I said that.

[Toogeloo]

Eh, the Lightening Rod role in Overkill 1, kind of fucked scum. I seriously doubt A50 tries it again in this game. So, some other reason or could be protectives, that would make the most sense.

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I'm feeling a lot of deja vu from the first game.

Twas me again! Not lightning rod this time, but slightly better.

I'm still an Actor, so no votes other than the Hammer for me, but the other half of my role is that I'm also a Director (I couldn't find it on the wiki). As an Actor, I can only hammer vote or be mod killed, but as a Director, I get a 1 use Global Doctor ability, which I used last night.



Even the mod got a laugh out of it.

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Don't expect much from me though since I probably won't get too vested in the game until smaller numbers due to my voting limitations. I'll be honest, I don't really have reads on anyone since I'm not putting a lot of effort into sorting people out at the moment.

Ta ta for now.

[Creature]

The rule about up to X anti town of any faction being able to die
It’s possible that may be misleading wording
It’s something I’d think to do

I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball

Of any faction
It implies there isn’t just one

[Creature]

gamma talk to us
any reads?

Meh probably not beyond what I’ve described
Given this is multiball barring A50 making a red herring, I’m favoring scumhunting over townhunting rn