Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[davesaz]

most likely a jester.

Doubt a jester admits they have to he lynched
More likely a vengeful or something

For the Jester variant which immediately wins the game and town loses when lynched, I agree.
I think A50 implied the variant which wins and the game continues would be more likely, but I haven't looked that up.
That kind wants to admit it but the only reason for town to go there, other than being kind, is to improve numbers.

I kinda wonder if it's a lynch-enabled role. But I loathe rolefishing so it pains me to mention it.
In any case until she is a more overt danger to town I'm thinking our effort is better spent on something else. Agree?

Pedit: yup we agree

[profii]

So I kinda feel RR is the towniest of the 3 ISOs - whilst there is a number of Chickadee references that one could construe look like someone subtly saying nah my scum buddy is alright, I kinda interpret the ISO as a whole as someone like I typically would see Thor who picks a lynch and pushes hard for their way & in respect of that, i was that push so probably a distraction from allowing RR to sort elsewhere properly

[DrewVa]

More likely a vengeful or something

No, vengeful would be cool and pro-town.

so are you claiming antitown

At first I thought it may be a joke but now, I really think DGB could be a jester.

[profii]

@Nero: For real, though, thoughts on Chikadee and the Chikadee wagon and why you've decided to go against the grain there?

So this is probably the most gross thing I saw in the 3 ISOs

As I just said - Varsoon said he didn’t want to lynch Chick in his ISO, so why ask someone else to convince you of something you are already believing ?


A logical answer to that question is simple - if you can convince a town to tell the town a scum is town, you are not associated to that mess


VOTE: Varsoon

[DrewVa]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

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2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

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No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb

Why did you encourage him to vote, if you believed he’d be modkilled?

[DrewVa]

Biggest pings for me is
1. You being a lot more jovial and less critically serious

2. You pushing Toog the way you did to vote if he were town (to save his team a mislynch?!)

3. You being really meta-aware and playing contrary to it purposefully and vocally.

That’s the part that makes no sense to me. Why would you ever push someone you townread to get themselves modkilled?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it's multiball so her team must be in a somewhat good position anyway

with 1 scum (presumable from another team) and 1 town dead? don't think so

[Wisdom]

you do know a global doc was used
For all we know there could be lots of deaths

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah? what are you trying to say

[Varsoon]

@Profii: You're divorcing my posts from their context. I was trying to figure out Nero.
I never had the intention of being on the Chickadee wagon; I saw it as low hanging fruit and I wouldn't be surprised if Chickadee was heavily bussed and voted by non-town players who weren't a part of his team.

[Wisdom]

Yeah? what are you trying to say

nvm i thought you were disagreeing with multiball due to lack of kills
then i reread

[DrewVa]

How do you verify Toog without him getting modkilled

He doesn’t, so long as he’s the hammer, if I’m understanding his role correctly.

I suppose it’s fine for now but whenever we can confirm a slot, it’s always a good thing, no?

How does that confirm him though? That just means he can cast the hammer vote, not that he can’t cast any other votes.

Well, I just thought hammering would confirm him. \_0_/

How do you arrive at that conclusion? Seriously. Tell me what you thought Toog's role was, and what line of reasoning led you to that conclusion.

-Cerb

He’s an actor, right? So, hammering doesn’t confirm like with priest?

You're asking me questions. I'm not here to explain this to you. I'm here to figure out why/how you believed what you believed.

-Cerb

I obviously need those questions answered first.

If you didn't know the answer to those questions, how did you have such certainty that it was VERY IMPORTANT that the hammer be saved for Toog?

-Cerb

This post is so ironic now. I wasn’t certain of anything except the part of him saying that the only way he could vote w/o getting modkilled, was if he hammered and when people jumped on me for that, I figured I must have misunderstood that. I didn’t scumread him, so I was fine with him not confirming but had Clem not self-hammered, Toogeloo would have never self-voted today outside of a hammer.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think via the flip we probably have 2-3 other teams

[DrewVa]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

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2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

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No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb

Kinda wondering what's actually going to go down tbh.

Indeed.

Like, I just wanted the idea to be in his head so he'd go ask about it, and then if town and we got to like L-1 he could vote, get himself killed, and we'd have all the interactions to look over after getting his flip, and still have a lynch to use today.

This sequence is just ???? to me.

-Cerb

But then why didn’t you just back me on him hammering today? The previous posts mentions nothing about him hammering, just voting.

[DrewVa]

you do know a global doc was used
For all we know there could be lots of deaths

So, a global doc is not extremely different from a Lightening Rod. Like what are the odds of the same player getting such a comparible weird role, twice back to back?

[DrewVa]

(This is the silence of drixx and I furiously discussing where the fuck we went wrong)

-Cerb

Is this a lolcat type post?

This reads to me, like you’ve given up?

[Reasonably Rational]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

---

2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

---
No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb

Kinda wondering what's actually going to go down tbh.

Indeed.

Like, I just wanted the idea to be in his head so he'd go ask about it, and then if town and we got to like L-1 he could vote, get himself killed, and we'd have all the interactions to look over after getting his flip, and still have a lynch to use today.

This sequence is just ???? to me.

-Cerb

But then why didn’t you just back me on him hammering today? The previous posts mentions nothing about him hammering, just voting.

You're misunderstanding.

I didn't care about him hammering/want him to hammer.

I wanted him to be aware that his optimal line of play with his claimed role as town, in the event that he found himself as the most likely lynch for the day(which was meant to be interpreted as "when you're at L-2/L-1 and nobody is listening to you" not "when you're at 4 votes"), was to vote and give town a second lynch for the day.

I still do not care about actions that don't confirm anything, as hammering wouldn't have done for Toog.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

(This is the silence of drixx and I furiously discussing where the fuck we went wrong)

-Cerb

Is this a lolcat type post?

This reads to me, like you’ve given up?

It was literally what was happening at that moment.

I went to slack, told Drixx we had been wrong about Toog, and asked him where he thought we should look instead/what we needed to reevaluate, and a conversation was happening.

-Cerb

[Varsoon]

The thing that I find baffling is that town!Cerb would NEVER push for Toog to self-vote/self-explode before getting to at least L-2, because Town!Cerb would be all about those wagon interactions.
Driving Toog to do that ASAP strikes me as pressuring Toog to make a poor decision for town while also trying to keep any other (possibly poor) associatives from hitting the table.

P-EDIT: See, that's the scramble, Cerb's changing the story.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like people are pushing the modkillable ability of it as a bad thing, but I feel it’s just a part of this game. Like, it’s almost half expected of Toog to have eventually done that, which I personally like. It also gives Day 2 a big event to remember through the game.

Now, do we think DGB pushed that as town or scum?

I can see that coming from a townDGB, tbh.

[Gamma Emerald]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

---

2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

---
No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb

Kinda wondering what's actually going to go down tbh.

Indeed.

Like, I just wanted the idea to be in his head so he'd go ask about it, and then if town and we got to like L-1 he could vote, get himself killed, and we'd have all the interactions to look over after getting his flip, and still have a lynch to use today.

This sequence is just ???? to me.

-Cerb

But then why didn’t you just back me on him hammering today? The previous posts mentions nothing about him hammering, just voting.

You're misunderstanding.

I didn't care about him hammering/want him to hammer.

I wanted him to be aware that his optimal line of play with his claimed role as town, in the event that he found himself as the most likely lynch for the day(which was meant to be interpreted as "when you're at L-2/L-1 and nobody is listening to you" not "when you're at 4 votes"), was to vote and give town a second lynch for the day.

I still do not care about actions that don't confirm anything, as hammering wouldn't have done for Toog.

-Cerb

I'd like this post if it came before Toog's death

[Varsoon]

^ What Gamma said.
Coming now, it's all apologetics and posturing.

[Reasonably Rational]

The thing that I find baffling is that town!Cerb would NEVER push for Toog to self-vote/self-explode before getting to at least L-2, because Town!Cerb would be all about those wagon interactions.
Driving Toog to do that ASAP strikes me as pressuring Toog to make a poor decision for town while also trying to keep any other (possibly poor) associatives from hitting the table.

P-EDIT: See, that's the scramble, Cerb's changing the story.

Not at all. You're right that I definitely didn't make it clear that he should just vote for himself later, given that I was responding to a post where he was responding to someone asking him to vote immediately, but the intent was for him to be aware of the optimal line without explicitly stating that this wagon could be very valuable if you're town, and this is how you should use it...while also giving scum!Toog no real argument to make against that position.

-Cerb

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like people are pushing the modkillable ability of it as a bad thing, but I feel it’s just a part of this game. Like, it’s almost half expected of Toog to have eventually done that, which I personally like. It also gives Day 2 a big event to remember through the game.

Now, do we think DGB pushed that as town or scum?

I can see that coming from a townDGB, tbh.

On top of this, there was A LOT of potential WIFOM from both the only able to hammer comment and the 1 shot global block confirmed.

The modkill is incredibly beneficial, and I think Toog played it well.

It also happened before any potential claims could come out.

Cool role. Solid play. In hindsight, that will be a big moment in this game. Remember it.

[Wisdom]

cerb's town guys move on