Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[DrewVa]

@Nancy - it is amazing that throughout the whole game and everytime I mentioned you favorably or mentioned other people you townread me. When I start to say that IF IF my analysis of your character is wrong, then I would be scumreading you you switch yiur read on me.


As for Thor I think my reads must be pretty good and he is intentionally being thick so I flip out and replace out in frustration (as I've done in the past when people misunderstand my arguments repeatedly) and then because nobody listens to dead/replaced slots usually, my reads will be forgotten and/or my slot would be lynched for a the rep out, because nobody remembers the game I repped out as frustrated town, only the one where I repped out as misunderstood scum.

First off, check whether DVa or me is posting. Our reads aren’t identical. Also, what you’re saying is incorrect. I think Thor isn’t mistaken about some of your posts this game, being kind of hedgey - definitely when compared with Overkill 1. Anyway, I’m null on you rn.

[DrewVa]

I skipped the last 10 pages.

From skimming though, I'm thinking Creature is scum. I vaguely remember Tails (I think) saying Creature was in town range. Please clarify.

Up to this point in her ISO

Drew
Tails
Creature

Unlikely svs

Flavorleaf maybe.

I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball

Overkill 1 was multi ball, I really don't think there's any reason to think this game wouldn't be. I think all of the language thus far would conclude so.


@Amz
Pocketing/buddying (Get in my pockets, listen to me. My pockets are warm and cozy)
Multiball = multiple non town factions
Singleball = one non town faction

Soft defense of Gamma?

Wisdom no.
Fortian no.
RR maybe?

CREATURE PLS STOP

I feel like Creature still hasnt done anything

So join me in voting him?

RCE no.
Profii unlikely.
Varsoon unlikely.

oh nero, i've played with you once
my first game ever
you hated my guts throughout the whole thing

Nero unlikely?

cerb sweaty why are you so angry
its just game
why you haf to be mad

I feel like this is a really weird thing to say to RR and even weirder that there was no response. Maybe? Maybe not? You all should just vote Gamma tbh there's nothing much here.

Wagons next.

This is obvtown Cheeky here. Doubling down on my already strong townread on her.

[DrewVa]

DID YOU KNOW?

Majiffy claimed to have a solid scum read on Chickadee due to a secret tell, yet he never voted her.

No, can you link or post it? That would really help a lot.

[Tails]

Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but BuJ remains the ideal lynch today.

[CheekyTeeky]

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.

Gamma, why are you town?

I remember like exactly zero things about you this game

Did you just replace in?

I’ve been in from the start
Why no response to my joke claim? Did hat SERIOUSLY not stand out to you?
This is practically a scumclaim from Creature given both his individual meta and the combined meta of him, Flavor, and myself.
VOTE: Creature

OMGUS, waffle about meta that makes no sense.

Go ahead and get modkilled then.

You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor. You are basically just a worse vt now.

VOTE: toog

EWWWWWWW
why are you trying to get someone to lose the game?

This is 100% a scumclaim post.

I'm not feeling a gamma/nero scumteam though based on their interactions. So Gamma has some pretty bad posts, a vote history that could go either way (although he's OMGUS'D twice now.) He's had bouts of tmi and I could see him as SvS with Chick...

Which leads me to another read.

RCE has been up and down for me but I just remembered his weird townread of me after my second post:

VOTE: Hebichan

Hey punks, who got Rocky?

This was my exact thought upon reading my role pm, and not getting Rocky.

But I don't like this question.

VOTE: Hebichan

Hey punks, who got Rocky?

This was my exact thought upon reading my role pm, and not getting Rocky.

But I don't like this question.

Hedging much?

Ooo cheeky is town already. Verrrrrrrry interesting.

In retrospect I think RCE TMI'd on Chick's alignment so he probably saw me as town when it was too early to tell. I could see a gamma/RCE/Chick SvS possibility.

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Gamma for a scum-free future!

[Tails]

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.

Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?

[DrewVa]

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.

Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?

Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake. And I definitely agree with what he said here. The only explanations, you should leave to post-game, is either anything that can hurt the integrity of a game or your wincon. A PR role, for example but not ever anything germane to the actual gamestate.

[Wisdom]

yeah prolly not gamma/nero based on that

[RCEnigma]

I'd argue I don't really have to actively push my partners Lynch in a 26 person game. Especially in multiball where even scum can scumhunt...

I also explained that read cheeky so meh, you were town to me and remained town most of the day.

[DrewVa]

Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but

BuJ remains the ideal lynch today

.

i'll have to re-read to back up my claims but:
creature is town 100% money back guarantee
DrewVa feels off to me

i still don't see why bujaber is being considered a lynch this game

nero cain is scumleanish

However, Clem said that when he knew he was being lynched. But why wouldn’t scum!Nero hop on the Clem wagon, for towncred? Scum generally don’t like to be on town wagons but they usually don’t mind bussing - especially when the lynch is inevitable. However, since - if the sample role PM is any indication - multiball may possibly affect this.

[CheekyTeeky]

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.

Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?

It's not the logic I disagree with, I disagree with the timing i.e. majiffy was under pressure from at least two players with the leading wagon, the reasoning seems uncharacteristically insightful for gamma too.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.

I disagree.

[DrewVa]

In post 2647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2611, hebichan wrote:
Go ahead and get modkilled then.

You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor. You are basically just a worse vt now.

VOTE: toog

EWWWWWWW
why are you trying to get someone to lose the game?

This is 100% a scumclaim post.

Why Cheeky?

[DrewVa]

Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.

I disagree.

I’ve seen him do that numerous times as town, so I don’t see how that’s necessarily AI?

[Tails]

Gamma's response came after Majiffy said he'd explain in post game. RR was the only one pushing him on that point, and only very lightly. Given the timing, I don't see Gamma's jump as opportunistic at all. Gamma's hop actually contributed to the pressure the Majiffy slot was under until Nero replaced in. Until that point, there were only 3 votes on him, and Bujab was the most recent and for different reasons.

So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?

[CheekyTeeky]

Anyway I have a big day tomorrow so I'll be away for a bit. Hopefully more people vote gamma before I get back.

Pedit it's disgustingly hedgy, and overeactive again at a time when a player is under scrutiny. Ime scum push obv surface level scummy posts by shading exactly like this. I am very sure Gamma is scum as someone who has played with him multiple times as both alignments even as SvS.

[CheekyTeeky]

So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?

I don't care about varsoon, I was ISOing Gamma.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.

I disagree.

I’ve seen him do that numerous times as town, so I don’t see how that’s necessarily AI?

I can't explain it. I'm just sure I'm right.

[CheekyTeeky]

Someone more eloquent than me please case gamma. Tia.

[Tails]

So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?

I don't care about varsoon, I was ISOing Gamma.

Context is important.

[Varsoon]

If it isn't Buj then it's RCE.
RCE's been slimy all game.

Why is it one or the other? How are they related?

They could be scum together. Outside of RR, they're my two picks for scum, though I could easily see RCE as scum openwolfing to Bujab, who's on Clem's team.

If it isn't Buj then it's RCE.
RCE's been slimy all game.

Weren't you trying to associate us as partners earlier? What changed?

You're both scum. Doesn't mean you're partners.

pint is town
cheeky is town
both gamma and nero need death

Nero's town.
Gamma's (probably) town.
I don't understand how you come to these conclusions of yours.

DID YOU KNOW?

Majiffy claimed to have a solid scum read on Chickadee due to a secret tell, yet he never voted her.

Ew. The one time I can recall someone being like "I got this scumread but I'll explain it later" was GiF in a game where I pegged him as scum for it, he replaced out, then I was promptly killed and his team went on to win.
So excuse me if I'm going to be a bit critical of this kinda shit:
VOTE: Majiffy

It was this game, found it:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=72943

I have a piece to say to this shenanigans but for now I will wait.

I'd like to see more people post. If I'm going to slam a vote, it's:
VOTE: GuyInFreezer

They're too reserved right now. I know GiF is present given posts in the thread, but their stance regarding anything is inscrutable.
The whole "but for now I will wait" does not sit well with me. Why not just wait? Why post that?

Turns out he was scum and the person who replaced him went on to end-game
So if you think my skepticism is ill-founded, I've literally lost as town to scum playing this exact way before, Irrel.

Though to be fair, Irrel wasn't scum in the game I'm quoting here, so maybe being furtive about reasons for a scumread on D1 is just garbage play and not scum play but there's literally no way for me to parse one from the other given that it's low content play.

avec plaisir

Oh, I know.
Also, thanks mod, for fixing my tags or whatever.

Anyway.

Yeah I'd be fine with a Majiffy lynch here, too.
But RR, if third party, has to go. It'll eliminate an entire killing party if he's SK. That's high value for us.

[Varsoon]

STOP STEALING MY IDEAS, TAILS

[profii]

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.

I read the flip as multiball (major crime forces) and serial killer(s) (Professional killers)

So there is every chance that one of the players encouraging Toogeloo to hara-kiri is just a serial killer - they can appear like they are scum hunting, because that is a threat to their win con and makes them look townie, whilst at the same time just simply trying to remove people out the game.

I've definitely spotted serial killers because they just want

anyone

to die, rather than the

right

person... I need to look again but that might be happening here.

[DrewVa]

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.

I read the flip as multiball (major crime forces) and serial killer(s) (Professional killers)

So there is every chance that one of the players encouraging Toogeloo to hara-kiri is just a serial killer - they can appear like they are scum hunting, because that is a threat to their win con and makes them look townie, whilst at the same time just simply trying to remove people out the game.

I've definitely spotted serial killers because they just want

anyone

to die, rather than the

right

person... I need to look again but that might be happening here.

What makes RR stand out, is because he seemed to townread Toogeloo and was pushing him to get himself modkilled, where as Hebi and DGB were scumreading him att.

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

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2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

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No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

-Cerb