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[Clemency]

vt

[Persivul]

I guess I have to consider that Persivul's continual shade-throwing in my direction could potentially come from scum trying to save the easier mislynch for lylo

I'm not casting shade at you. I'm outright saying you're scummy. I said "scummy af" actually. You've been the one casting shade at me. You still are - "could potentially." You're testing the waters but not committing. If you want to push me, push me.

[Persivul]

bji, your turn.

[Persivul]

vt

Thanks.

Who's the last scum?

[Irrelephant11]

I don't want to push you; I still think you're more likely town than scum given claims.
I'm being transparent (have been all game) and you're just repeating over and over that it's scummy. Sometimes town get caught defending scum. I'm just genuinely confused you find my play regarding garmr s/s, and one explanation for that is that despite it's illogicality it would be a good time for scum!you to suspect me.

I'll let clem post more, I think he's gotten off too easy since garmr became confscum.

[Persivul]

dumb

dumb

What is?

Plot twist: I was blocked last night.
VOTE: sash

That entrance was as transparent as a brick wall.

[Irrelephant11]

You're kidding me that that is a scumread.
Maybe you really are kidding me? Just to get a reaction? I can't tell.

Three posts after a very negative piece of information was revealed, I said "Dumb". I was immediately asked what I was referring to, and immediately explained. What about that is opaque?

[Persivul]

Who's scum?

[Irrelephant11]

waiting on more from clem to be able to say

[Irrelephant11]

I did my part last game day; he didn't. I'll take the chance that waiting for him to explain his reads more gets me scumread, since I think the onus is on him to find scum rn.

[bji]

I guess I have to consider that Persivul's continual shade-throwing in my direction could potentially come from scum trying to save the easier mislynch for lylo

How does scum!Persivul arrange a loud target of Reaper and a fake claim as loud cop? The only way scum!Persivul could safely claim any loud target of Reaper is if his role is loud. So what loud scum role do you think that scum!Persivul actually has?

Furthermore, why do you think that scum!Persivul would fake a loud cop claim? That's a gutsy move, there could have been a real cop (and if he really was faking the loud cop claim, then there

still could

be a real cop).

Keep in mind also that by faking the loud cop claim, scum!Persivul would also be eliminating his ability to use whatever actual targeting role he has.

[Irrelephant11]

Those are all great points.

I don't think persivul is scum, he is the last person I would like to lynch
That said, he is not 100% mechanically clear. "I was roleblocked" has been done by scum making a fakeclaim before.
I have lost mafia games by not considering that the person who I have most reason to townread *could* still be scum, and I am acknowledging that I have enough paranoia about the gamestate to consider it.

[Persivul]

bji do you have a claim?

[bji]

bji, your turn.

I'm Vanilla Town.

[Irrelephant11]

okay great, I'm ready to say persivul never gets lynched if everyone else is. loud doctor is not enough town power to go up against motion detector & *something loud*

[Irrelephant11]

persivul, let me know if you want me to towncase myself/who you want me to focus on sorting, etc.
It seems I am at the bottom of your PoE, which I personally think I can fix, but I'll let you lead from here. I still think Clem should provide more in-depth thoughts before much else happens

[Persivul]

Those are all great points.

I don't think persivul is scum, he is the last person I would like to lynch
That said, he is not 100% mechanically clear. "I was roleblocked" has been done by scum making a fakeclaim before.
I have lost mafia games by not considering that the person who I have most reason to townread *could* still be scum, and I am acknowledging that I have enough paranoia about the gamestate to consider it.

Obviously not 100% clear. Maybe 99?

Now that everyone has claimed VT, for me to be scum, the setup would be:

Town

Loud doctor

Scum

Loud _____ (Reaper confirmed my visit and flipped green)
Motion Detector

Which would be pretty damn unbalanced.

p-edit: you beat me to it.

[bji]

Or, obviously, someone (or some ones) from town lied, because they want to protect their true role.

[Irrelephant11]

yeah but I'm pretty sure town would tell the truth here, unless their hidden PR is somehow gamewinning in a way that hasn't come up yet. Can't think of anything.

[Persivul]

persivul, let me know if you want me to towncase myself/

No thanks.

who you want me to focus on sorting, etc.

Your biggest scum read.

It seems I am at the bottom of your PoE,

No, you're at the top of my scum list. Spin like this is part of the reason why.

[Irrelephant11]

I'm sorry to report you're overtunneled.
I will sort after clemency posts thoughts (if you haven't caught on by now, they're my biggest scumread)

[Persivul]

I'm sorry to report you're overtunneled.

I will sort after clemency posts thoughts (if you haven't caught on by now, they're my biggest scumread)

So make a case now. It's D3. He has 123 posts already. Saying you need him to post more is a copout.

[Irrelephant11]

No, saying I want him to post more before I post more is me saying I want him to prove his reads come from his own head

[bji]

yeah but I'm pretty sure town would tell the truth here, unless their hidden PR is somehow gamewinning in a way that hasn't come up yet. Can't think of anything.

A factual counterclaim to Persivul wins for town, but only if claimed today. Because we just lynch the claimer and then when they flip town, we lynch Persivul tomorrow for the win.

So until someone counterclaims, Persivul is confirmed cop.

Sorry I am thinking through all of this out loud. I am sure Persivul understood all of this before he even asked for claims, which is why he asked for them.

[Persivul]

I targeted Irrel last night. I wanted the claims because there are some roles other than RB that would explain my lack of result.