Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Nero Cain]

I agree with DGB that the Clem wagon is going to be a scum gold mine. His team was certainly bussibg him and other scum wouldn't pass up the opportunity for a nice juicy mislynch from thier POV.

[Nero Cain]

Because I have a high confidence townread on you but not your predecessor so that creates inner conflict over what your slot's alignment is.

how do you plan on resolving this conflict?

[DrewVa]

Varsoon is drawing parallels between my play here and my play as a malevolent 3p/sk varient in what I view as the most surprising 3p win on this site to justify pushing me over other individuals.

-Cerb

Can you link that game?

[DrewVa]

Who is Nico

Robin. Nico Robin aka Yume.

[Reasonably Rational]

Okay okay.

I'm properly paying attention right now.

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

Thanks.

-Cerb

pedit: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66230 I was cool cucumbers, a hydra with myself and wgeurts.

pedit x2: WHO I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS YUME UNTIL RECENTLY, SOMEHOW.

[Varsoon]

Because I have a high confidence townread on you but not your predecessor so that creates inner conflict over what your slot's alignment is.

how do you plan on resolving this conflict?

Lynching DGB and hoping you get sorted overnight?
Otherwise, man, I dunno. Keep an eye on you, I suppose.

[DrewVa]

Some thoughts:

1.) I was the one who concluded that Toog was probably scum with Chick due to the post Cerb quoted where Chick gave a really fence sitty wishy washy "read" on Toog, which also was contradicted by other close posts. That kind of spew is (the vast majority of times) generally indicative of scum trying to WiFoM and screwing up and connecting themselves to a partner. If that post was made intentionally, then Chick was on top of it at least for that. It was the first thing I talked to Cerb about after the flip.

2.) Exploiting mechanics is kind of one of our signatures. Cerb behaving exactly as Cerb behaves shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. His reasoning for what he said and what he

didn't

say is spot on.

3.) Varsoon is really weirding me out. So far as I know, the role that won SaGa (incorrectly, since Albert B. Rampage had a killing ability) is unique. It didn't come from somewhere else and hasn't been replicated since. So ... what rationale is there to suppose we have a similar role?


@Nancy - You saw the same thing I did in regards to how Clemency acted in relation to Toog's claim. From the flip we know that Toog was more than just a hammer only role (which had to be modkilled if voted other than hammer or else the VC would "confirm" some part of the claim). Scum frequently fear that the unknown have a "worst case" ability. See Varsoon and KC in the game I referenced earlier. They were convinced I was a bomb. Without any reasoning. Similarly, it appeared that either scum wanted us to believe they were afraid of Toog (what I assumed was the case) or else really were (seems the case with updated info). That's what I said you needed to be more confidant about. You were on to that.

@Toog - Really well played. Would have been better to do that at L-2 or something but you got super high EV out of that role either way. Sorry I was wrong.

~D

I will probably have a better read on you once I check out that game. How can Cerb reason on what he “didn’t say”? Cerb is harder to read than you, tone-wise. It’s kind of weird to me but when you pushed me - as much as I hated it, it read townie to me, when Cerb did it, I got scum vibes. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

Okay okay.

I'm properly paying attention right now.

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

Thanks.

-Cerb

pedit: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66230 I was cool cucumbers, a hydra with myself and wgeurts.

pedit x2: WHO I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS YUME UNTIL RECENTLY, SOMEHOW.

Okay thanks. I’m legit surprised at this because of what happened in BoR, which you weren’t even in.

[Nero Cain]

Nancy not hard town reading me is I don't think town Nancy doesn't ever hard town read townNero

[Reasonably Rational]

Okay okay.

I'm properly paying attention right now.

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

Thanks.

-Cerb

pedit: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66230 I was cool cucumbers, a hydra with myself and wgeurts.

pedit x2: WHO I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS YUME UNTIL RECENTLY, SOMEHOW.

Okay thanks. I’m legit surprised at this because of what happened in BoR, which you weren’t even in.

Surprised at what exactly? What happened in BoR(which is an acronym for what?)

-Cerb

[Alonzo]

Yo Wisdom my fellow gamma slammer, have we played before?

[profii]

VOTE: gamma

[profii]

There is a link to Chickadee in the gamma iso and there are loads of associatives to get out of the gamma lynch. Go look for them they are there

[DrewVa]

Nancy not hard town reading me is I don't think town Nancy doesn't ever hard town read townNero

When did I say I wasn’t townreading you? Did you forget where I disagreed with Pint and referenced Toogeloo’s and Fortian’s reads townreading both of us?

[DrewVa]

Okay okay.

I'm properly paying attention right now.

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

Thanks.

-Cerb

pedit: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=66230 I was cool cucumbers, a hydra with myself and wgeurts.

pedit x2: WHO I DIDN'T REALIZE WAS YUME UNTIL RECENTLY, SOMEHOW.

Okay thanks. I’m legit surprised at this because of what happened in BoR, which you weren’t even in.

Surprised at what exactly? What happened in BoR(which is an acronym for what?)

-Cerb

Boundaries of Reality. Nico yolo desperado’d obvtown Drixx, just to get out of the game and Drixx said in that dead thread that it was for revenge. Is that right, Drixx?

[Gamma Emerald]

if I'm town why does that bother you?

That’s not what he said.

[Nero Cain]

Nancy not hard town reading me is I don't think town Nancy doesn't ever hard town read townNero

When did I say I wasn’t townreading you? Did you forget where I disagreed with Pint and referenced Toogeloo’s and Fortian’s reads townreading both of us?

I know you are townreading me but there was a post that I felt was a little bit of a hedge. I need you to defend me hard. Don't let that piece of hot garbage mislynch me again.

[DrewVa]

Nancy not hard town reading me is I don't think town Nancy doesn't ever hard town read townNero

When did I say I wasn’t townreading you? Did you forget where I disagreed with Pint and referenced Toogeloo’s and Fortian’s reads townreading both of us?

I know you are townreading me but there was a post that I felt was a little bit of a hedge. I need you to defend me hard. Don't let that piece of hot garbage mislynch me again.

I will do what I can. Several people hardtown read you, not just me: dear departed Toogeloo, Fortian, Varsoon and probably others. Unfortunately Majiffy was kind of scummy but anyone who thinks you’re scum here, just needs to ISO you in Necromancer to tell that you’re obvtown here.

[DrewVa]

I do think it was good that Toog took the initiative and voted to confirm early instead of withholding his vote so we wouldn't spend the bulk of the day speculating on his alignment.

Why? We have to spend the day speculating on someone else’s. He could have put a rest to the speculation by hammering as opposed to feeling pushed to get himself modkilled.:/

[Nero Cain]

TBF, Toog hammering doesn't exactly confirm him though.

[DrewVa]

TBF, Toog hammering doesn't exactly confirm him though.

It would have confirm the actor portion of his role.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Gamma?
I like Gamma, iirc.

Why do you not remember your own feelings?

[Varsoon]

My memory is a bad one

[BuJaber]

P.edit. I sense a possible trap with voting this wagon. If DGB isn’t jester, she could maybe be a vengeful or,supersaint possibly? Any rate, I don’t see why scum does this and I’m staying tf clear.

Another victim of DGB's mind control.

I kinda want to lynch scum, though.
But I think I get it.
VOTE: DGB

Or, ideally, third paRRty

Why is lynching 3Ps more ideal than lynching mafia? I just want to lynch scum.

Removes extra kills from the game, which are more likely to land on town than scum by ratio alone.
The only way we get anything out of having third party around is if we leash them, but SaGa frontier is proof of the dangers of doing that
Furthermore, I am fairly certain that if RR is third party, they're also bulletproof.

Well, in Overkill 1. I almost posted Undertale 1 . In Overkill 1, 3Ps weren’t problematic for town, only SKs, so I’m assuming you think RR are SK, because there are probably non-threatening 3Ps in this game, who we don’t need to bother with until we get closer to LYLO. That’s why some of Bujaber’s early posts are not sitting right with me, because of his strange SK defense. Lynching mafia isn’t more optimal than lynching SKs. Any NKs other than vigkills are bad for town.

Wrong. SK's pose a threat to mafia. Particularly in the early game where shooting is less accurate and both sides want to reduce shots that can hit them.

[ruru]

votecount

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Gamma Emerald (4):	Alonzo (2508),	Wisdom (2566),	CheekyTeeky (2799),	profii (2986),
Nero Cain (3):	pinturicchio (2509),	Tails (2835),	RCEnigma (2874),
Reasonably Rational (3):	Fortian (2662),	Amzela (2908),	Creature (2941),
DrippingGoofball (2):	BuJaber (2929),	Varsoon (2939),
CheekyTeeky (1):	Gamma Emerald (2794),
pinturicchio (1):	Nero Cain (2837),
hebichan (1):	BrightEyedFish (2861),
Not voting (9):	Flavor Leaf,	Malakitty,	Alchemist21,	davesaz,	Thor665,	Reasonably Rational (2516),	DrewVa (2571),	hebichan (2611),	DrippingGoofball (2629),

(expired on 2018-12-17 18:30:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

Gamma Emerald (4):

Alonzo (2508), Wisdom (2566), CheekyTeeky (2799), profii (2986),

Nero Cain (3):

pinturicchio (2509), Tails (2835), RCEnigma (2874),

Reasonably Rational (3):

Fortian (2662), Amzela (2908), Creature (2941),

DrippingGoofball (2):

BuJaber (2929), Varsoon (2939),

CheekyTeeky (1):

Gamma Emerald (2794),

pinturicchio (1):

Nero Cain (2837),

hebichan (1):

BrightEyedFish (2861),

Not voting (9):

Flavor Leaf, Malakitty, Alchemist21, davesaz, Thor665, Reasonably Rational (2516), DrewVa (2571), hebichan (2611), DrippingGoofball (2629),