Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.13

AnonymousGhost (2):

Aster 297, Gamma Emerald 311

Volxen (1):

Blackjacks 238

Firebringer (1):

Clemency 394

Springtrap (2):

Firebringer 442, pinturicchio 776

Blackjacks (3):

Keyser Söze 635, Volxen 709, ceejayvinoya 710

ceejayvinoya (1):

Nibbui 807

Aster (1):

AnonymousGhost 867

Not voting (2):

RadiantCowbells 798, Springtrap 820

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).

[AnonymousGhost]

His responses seem individual, and less group I guess?

Which ones in particular?

And while you're at it, can you identify which of Aster's post ping you as indecisive?

[AnonymousGhost]

By the mechanic of scum being able to kill their own before they can be lynched, doesn't that give a possibility of a weak player be towncleared for the simple reason that scum cant afford to have them lynched?

Town's on MS - as MathDino points out - can't function with a D1 scum lynch as they almost always dissolve into finger pointing. By having the weakest player sacrifice, that's basically acting in the place of a D1 scum lynch, thus more chaos in the town the following day.

As CFJ points out, it's easier to sacrifice earlier than later when the stakes are higher.

[AnonymousGhost]

Like imagine if you have a scum team and one of your partner's is really bad or gets caught early on. You can't do much other than bus or defend - which have their own pros & cons. Picture sacrificing the weak link like those lizards who can cut off their own tail. The predator's preoccupied with the twitching limb, while the lizard gets off scot free and better off.

[Springtrap]

So... It's in town's best interest to not scumhunt day 1 but instead get the weakest link? That Seems counterproductive.

[Springtrap]

I'll think about it, but for now I'll go to sleep. Remind me to point out my reasoning for liking Aster less then Blackjack when I get back.

[AnonymousGhost]

So... It's in town's best interest to not scumhunt day 1 but instead get the weakest link? That Seems counterproductive.

Not necessarily. It's in town's best interest to try to lynch scum that preferably aren't the weakest link. In this scenario, scum are worse off - probs - cause one of their better team mates took a dirt nap, which means it's up to the rest of the team to try and carry itself to victory.

Which is a bit of a difficult thing to do when you're already one foot in the grave and town only need to lynch one more to win. If the weakest link had connections to the stronger player, town might push the weak link's lynch through and GG.

Albeit, this whole idea goes out the window if the scum team doesn't have a weak link to begin with.

[Blackjacks]

springtrap seems town

-r

[ceejayvinoya]

I was going to sleep but I couldn't stop mulling over something

yeah I think this is scum actually

VOTE: Ceejay

Ceejay, why do you think I'm sus of you?

Also, why did you roll scum against me again? :/

uh what

I don't recall thinking you scumread me...

[ceejayvinoya]

Look on Ceejay's ISO guys.

- He actually tries to frame Volxen the same way he did in a scum game of his

- He doesn't take a firm position on anyone

- He doesn't follow up on his questions

- Later when Volxen says that Ceejay did try to frame him as scum, he gives up and votes BlackJack when their wagon starts to build up

- He posts in the thread but ignores or don't read my posts about him

I'm afraid of leaving Spring alone though...

But yeah I think Ceejay is scum here, again.

lols

read that scum game again.

did my framing of volxen work there?

so, would I do it again? on the same guy? really?

[Blackjacks]

Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r

[Clemency]

phonepost from class

i think volxen should be the lynch if we don't find any better options

@Clemeny

- does this mean that Volxen was a scum read for you ATM you posted this?

it was until i got more info & blackjacks started hard tunneling him
now i'm more inclined to say bj is scum but i dont think scum would be so careless in a game where two right lynches win

i got intimidated by the copious amounts of really good high effort players

@Clemency

- Who do you feel is giving a good high effort? What's your read on them?

i'll give you the tl;dr's since i'm kinda busy
Nibbui - best town player atm, actively trying to win this game and push everyone, 100% townread for me
Aster - seems like the type of person who can write long, busy looking posts regardless of conditions, null imo
Volxen - is actually stepping up in my eyes, this seems like a town game from him

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: keyser

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: keyser

Why?

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap

[ceejayvinoya]

Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r

if you can agree with me that volxen is town, then hey you're free.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap

What are your reads?

[Blackjacks]

Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r

if you can agree with me that volxen is town, then hey you're free.

um awkwardly enough I just found [redacted] and I might actually agree with you now.

this is like -----charisma, I'm afk

[Blackjacks]

VOTE: Keyser

[Keyser Söze]

i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap

Your meta on me needs updating

[Keyser Söze]

There is no need to lynch the ‘i-think-he’s-Town-here-but....-paranoia!!!’

Your vote is bad and you should know this

[Keyser Söze]

springtrap seems town

-r

Why town?

At best he is null.

[Nibbui]

I just tried to read Ceejay game framing Volxen but I couldn't find it? There's one where he asks for a completed town game of Volxen, but that's kinda it?

as of now I stand by my claim that Ceejay might be scum, and if you think that it's only a play style crash, I'll link here the game where I mislynched him because of paranoia. Even when I did mislynch him, he was 100x townier there compared to here.

Here he has been only floating and I feel that he might be waiting to get nightkilled later.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10322141 (<- towny-Ceejay mislynched because I was paranoid, WAY more townier)

Now see this scum game of him, where he like here just surfs the flow of the thread and doesn't sound gamesolvey by himself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10307858

This is scum!Ceejay imo, I'm pretty confident and would be really surprised if he doesn't flip red here.

[RadiantCowbells]

notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

[Nibbui]

Idk about Keyser, I see some town points on his posts, like how he didn't jump on calling Spring scum when I engaged with him but instead did try to make Spring post more.

Still it's not a strong feeling at all, I can see a world where he is scum.

If you see any of Ceejay town games though, I'm sure that you be convinced that Ceejay is the scummiest guy here.

It's

really

different.