Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]


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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:03 pm

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Votecount 1.13
AnonymousGhost (2):
Aster , Gamma Emerald
Volxen (1):
Blackjacks
Firebringer (1):
Clemency
Springtrap (2):
Firebringer , pinturicchio
Blackjacks (3):
Keyser Söze , Volxen , ceejayvinoya
ceejayvinoya (1):
Nibbui
Aster (1):
AnonymousGhost

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RadiantCowbells , Springtrap

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:12 pm

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In post 872, Springtrap wrote:His responses seem individual, and less group I guess?
Which ones in particular?

And while you're at it, can you identify which of Aster's post ping you as indecisive?
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:16 pm

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In post 872, Springtrap wrote:By the mechanic of scum being able to kill their own before they can be lynched, doesn't that give a possibility of a weak player be towncleared for the simple reason that scum cant afford to have them lynched?
Town's on MS - as MathDino points out - can't function with a D1 scum lynch as they almost always dissolve into finger pointing. By having the weakest player sacrifice, that's basically acting in the place of a D1 scum lynch, thus more chaos in the town the following day.

As CFJ points out, it's easier to sacrifice earlier than later when the stakes are higher.
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:19 pm

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Like imagine if you have a scum team and one of your partner's is really bad or gets caught early on. You can't do much other than bus or defend - which have their own pros & cons. Picture sacrificing the weak link like those lizards who can cut off their own tail. The predator's preoccupied with the twitching limb, while the lizard gets off scot free and better off.
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:23 pm

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So... It's in town's best interest to not scumhunt day 1 but instead get the weakest link? That Seems counterproductive.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:25 pm

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I'll think about it, but for now I'll go to sleep. Remind me to point out my reasoning for liking Aster less then Blackjack when I get back.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:38 pm

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In post 879, Springtrap wrote:So... It's in town's best interest to not scumhunt day 1 but instead get the weakest link? That Seems counterproductive.
Not necessarily. It's in town's best interest to try to lynch scum that preferably aren't the weakest link. In this scenario, scum are worse off - probs - cause one of their better team mates took a dirt nap, which means it's up to the rest of the team to try and carry itself to victory.

Which is a bit of a difficult thing to do when you're already one foot in the grave and town only need to lynch one more to win. If the weakest link had connections to the stronger player, town might push the weak link's lynch through and GG.

Albeit, this whole idea goes out the window if the scum team doesn't have a weak link to begin with.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:48 pm

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springtrap seems town

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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 807, Nibbui wrote:I was going to sleep but I couldn't stop mulling over something

yeah I think this is scum actually

VOTE: Ceejay

Ceejay, why do you think I'm sus of you?

Also, why did you roll scum against me again? :/
uh what

I don't recall thinking you scumread me...
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:41 pm

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In post 815, Nibbui wrote:Look on Ceejay's ISO guys.

- He actually tries to frame Volxen the same way he did in a scum game of his

- He doesn't take a firm position on anyone

- He doesn't follow up on his questions

- Later when Volxen says that Ceejay did try to frame him as scum, he gives up and votes BlackJack when their wagon starts to build up

- He posts in the thread but ignores or don't read my posts about him

I'm afraid of leaving Spring alone though...

But yeah I think Ceejay is scum here, again.
lols

read that scum game again.

did my framing of volxen work there?

so, would I do it again? on the same guy? really?
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:20 pm

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Why are you voting Obvious Town?

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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:21 pm

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In post 861, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In post 480, Clemency wrote:i think volxen should be the lynch if we don't find any better options
@Clemeny
- does this mean that Volxen was a scum read for you ATM you posted this?
it was until i got more info & blackjacks started hard tunneling him
now i'm more inclined to say bj is scum but i dont think scum would be so careless in a game where two right lynches win
In post 871, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In post 850, Clemency wrote:i got intimidated by the copious amounts of really good high effort players
@Clemency
- Who do you feel is giving a good high effort? What's your read on them?
i'll give you the tl;dr's since i'm kinda busy
Nibbui - best town player atm, actively trying to win this game and push everyone, 100% townread for me
Aster - seems like the type of person who can write long, busy looking posts regardless of conditions, null imo
Volxen - is actually stepping up in my eyes, this seems like a town game from him
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:23 pm

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VOTE: keyser
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:47 pm

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In post 887, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: keyser
Why?
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:12 pm

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i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:30 pm

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In post 885, Blackjacks wrote:Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r
if you can agree with me that volxen is town, then hey you're free.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:33 pm

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In post 889, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:49 pm

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In post 890, ceejayvinoya wrote:
In post 885, Blackjacks wrote:Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r
if you can agree with me that volxen is town, then hey you're free.
um awkwardly enough I just found [redacted] and I might actually agree with you now.

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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:50 pm

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VOTE: Keyser
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:26 pm

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In post 889, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap
Your meta on me needs updating
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:38 pm

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There is no need to lynch the ‘i-think-he’s-Town-here-but....-paranoia!!!’

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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:17 pm

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In post 882, Blackjacks wrote:springtrap seems town

-r
Why town?

At best he is null.
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:40 am

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I just tried to read Ceejay game framing Volxen but I couldn't find it? There's one where he asks for a completed town game of Volxen, but that's kinda it?

as of now I stand by my claim that Ceejay might be scum, and if you think that it's only a play style crash, I'll link here the game where I mislynched him because of paranoia. Even when I did mislynch him, he was 100x townier there compared to here.

Here he has been only floating and I feel that he might be waiting to get nightkilled later.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10322141 (<- towny-Ceejay mislynched because I was paranoid, WAY more townier)

Now see this scum game of him, where he like here just surfs the flow of the thread and doesn't sound gamesolvey by himself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10307858

This is scum!Ceejay imo, I'm pretty confident and would be really surprised if he doesn't flip red here.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:44 am

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notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:45 am

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Idk about Keyser, I see some town points on his posts, like how he didn't jump on calling Spring scum when I engaged with him but instead did try to make Spring post more.

Still it's not a strong feeling at all, I can see a world where he is scum.

If you see any of Ceejay town games though, I'm sure that you be convinced that Ceejay is the scummiest guy here.

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