Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[RCEnigma]

I do think it was good that Toog took the initiative and voted to confirm early instead of withholding his vote so we wouldn't spend the bulk of the day speculating on his alignment.

Why? We have to spend the day speculating on someone else’s. He could have put a rest to the speculation by hammering as opposed to feeling pushed to get himself modkilled.:/

Hammering still doesn't confirm his role, it just means he has fingers. I think he does but won't assume.

[Wisdom]

Yo Wisdom my fellow gamma slammer, have we played before?

nope

[CheekyTeeky]

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

As an enthusiast rather than a progenitor, I will share with you this condemning 2 quote case:

The rule about up to X anti town of any faction being able to die
It’s possible that may be misleading wording
It’s something I’d think to do

I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball

Of any faction
It implies there isn’t just one

Nice catch, wisdom looks townier. Gamma can be scum.

Why the fuck does how you read me depend on your Wisdom read?
This looks like some massive mental gymnastics.

Thanks to creature's digging, in the original embed post it looks like Gamma TMI's about this game being multiball. To clarify before Tails jumps in twisting shit again: I do not disagree, I do think this is multiball of at least the groupscum + 3p + town variety, however the way he spewed it and then his following justification seemed awkward/not in line with what I'd expect from town re: setup spec.

Wisdom looks townier because he can't see why Gamma is seeing the setup the way he is from his reasoning which leads me to believe wisdom genuinely doesn't have any clues about the setup or at the very least it's a good push on gamma.

Now that I've explained my perspective in the post, I don't think it's unreasonable to understand that's what I'm saying. Gamma somehow interprets my post as a naked SvT read, which makes no sense and seems hyperreactive. This is where I'd expect town Gamma to laugh at me about how wrong/dumb I was if he were town. Instead I get angry, not a good reason to vote anyone, Gamma.

I think via the flip we probably have 2-3 other teams

What?

Read the flavor
Also VOTE: Cheekyteeky

He follows up with this vote which makes no sense. I literally asked him "what?" aka "please clarify how you came to this very specific conclusion" to which he votes me and tell me to read the flip where I don't think says 2-3 teams at all. This is clearly an OMGUS vote which is also uncharacteristic for gamma imo.

In summary Gamma should be put to death for any combination of TMI, being overdefensive and OMGUSing.

[Gamma Emerald]

If that’s TMI wouldn’t that be TMI about SINGLEBALL, as that’s what I’m arguing MIGHT BE THE CASE?
But you’ve actually explained and it makes sense despite being BASS-ACKWARDS so UNVOTE:

[Tails]

DID YOU KNOW?

Majiffy claimed to have a solid scum read on Chickadee due to

a secret tell

, yet he never voted her.

This makes me feel better about Majiffy though

Last time I saw something like this, that person was scum. But more to the point, if Majiffy had some sort of tell that gave him an accurate scumread of Chick, and he knew that, why didn't he vote the guaranteed scum instead of avoiding the wagon?

[Tails]

So looking at what Cerb is saying about trying to coach Toog into using his role wisely - I think it looks legit.

I think RR saying that was the objective of what he was doing and it was sincere so that's a consideration for me...

Now, I've not played much (if any? IDK) multiball on here before so like the point that !otherscum! team will likely been on Clemency wagon was like an adjustment in my thinking (I'm slow ok)

But that makes me reconsider the RR and Toog episode? I guess so because now we know Toog is town, that means !scum and !otherscum would have flocked to the wagon - I think this means that if RR was scum he'd have to be like "Guys wait and see who rushes this wagon to find the other team" - I think that would be tough to do without dropping your own team in it... so not really a scum lean on RR.

But

we have the serial killer potential aspect in this game too I think. The bit that you could probably argue is that RR was using Toog to serve his own purpose - obviously a SK can scum hunt like the rest of us and wants to remove all of us so helping a town is no skin off their nose - now the bit I think I have to consider is RR coached Toog into getting associatives going (this benefits all) but ALSO voted for Toog.

now this can be explained away as "yeah I wanted to coach him and demonstrate/accelerate the lesson" but it can also be explained as "I want to remove players by applying pressure/mind games"

It comes down to how devious you consider cerb to be I think - SK lean for me.

Too wordy. Not much said.

[ruru]

votecount

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Gamma Emerald (4):	Alonzo (2508),	Wisdom (2566),	CheekyTeeky (2799),	profii (2986),
Nero Cain (3):	pinturicchio (2509),	Tails (2835),	RCEnigma (2874),
Reasonably Rational (3):	Fortian (2662),	Amzela (2908),	Creature (2941),
DrippingGoofball (2):	BuJaber (2929),	Varsoon (2939),
pinturicchio (1):	Nero Cain (2837),
hebichan (1):	BrightEyedFish (2861),
Not voting (10):	Flavor Leaf,	Malakitty,	Alchemist21,	davesaz,	Thor665,	Reasonably Rational (2516),	DrewVa (2571),	hebichan (2611),	DrippingGoofball (2629),	Gamma Emerald (3003),

(expired on 2018-12-17 18:30:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

Gamma Emerald (4):

Alonzo (2508), Wisdom (2566), CheekyTeeky (2799), profii (2986),

Nero Cain (3):

pinturicchio (2509), Tails (2835), RCEnigma (2874),

Reasonably Rational (3):

Fortian (2662), Amzela (2908), Creature (2941),

DrippingGoofball (2):

BuJaber (2929), Varsoon (2939),

pinturicchio (1):

Nero Cain (2837),

hebichan (1):

BrightEyedFish (2861),

Not voting (10):

Flavor Leaf, Malakitty, Alchemist21, davesaz, Thor665, Reasonably Rational (2516), DrewVa (2571), hebichan (2611), DrippingGoofball (2629), Gamma Emerald (3003),

[Tails]

Don't let that piece of hot garbage mislynch me again.

Who is this in reference to?

[Tails]

To clarify before Tails jumps in twisting shit again

[Tails]

I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.

Spoiler: So good you can ignore it twice

Majiffy calling RR an a-hole was bad. Especially since Majiffy has historically used abrasive tactics. It should have been easy for him to see this was not the case with Dix. He was trying to scum paint the slot while WKing Drew.

I also didn't like your replace in. You immediately attack both your wagon and Chicks while claiming you haven't read. (Specifically the saying everyone on your wagon was either scum or stupid. If you haven't read, you wouldn't know any of the circumstances.). Then when pressed later, you said that you did read, but not that much, and that's how you knew the Chick wagon was bad. The over the top protection of Chick immediately stood out to me.

DID YOU KNOW?

Majiffy claimed to have a solid scum read on Chickadee due to a secret tell, yet he never voted her.

[Reasonably Rational]

Right. Thanks Tails.

In terms of scumminess from what's presented here, Majiffy>Gamma.

(because there's a concrete action/lack thereof that objectively doesn't match up with their claimed reads)

will go read slack and remind myself if Drixx has said anything about Majiffy/NC, and will return!

-Cerb

[Tails]

Spoiler: Pint's case

Special offer: if Clem=scum, Nero=kill it with fire; if Clem=anything else, Nero=null

nero cain is scumleanish

Mark my words: this is distancing

Scum tend to project themselves into other players in order to create false scumreads. Nero said in his huge post where he explained his suspects that he believed some players were chainsaw defending Creature, including me. I think Nero tried to do the exact same thing he was saying other players were doing with Creature, but with Chickadee instead. After Clem arrived and did nothing to get off the attention, Nero voted for him saying that he's probably scum, but changed his vote quickly to other slot. That whole thing seemed off.

This, essentially. And add Majiffy's "I dare you to vote me" attitude and you have the perfect fit. Also Chick's reaction to Creature going full berzerk mode was the same that Majiffy had, but that's not important, just thought I should say it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well you can't say I didn't try. I'm not opposed to a Nero lynch fwiw so either is fine I guess.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cheeky, pls respond to my last post.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, pls respond to my last post.

I'm going to reply via a Gamma hate montage.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well fuck you too. Who pissed in your Cheerios?

[RCEnigma]

My new favorite interaction this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

My new favorite interaction this game.

Go to hell you scaudenfreudian freak.

[Tails]

[Fortian]

I will probably talk more about our feelings on RR tomorrow sometime

-DV

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler: Gamma haters' montage

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Gamma Emerald (4): Alonzo (2508), Wisdom (2566), CheekyTeeky (2799), profii (2986),

12 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes remain.

Gamma Health:

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Alonzoooooo

VOTE: Gamma

I'm a hungry bear, he's a salmon swimming upstream.

I was looking for a serious reason and not a troll reason because I have a bit of a Townread on Gamma myself.

I was looking for a bit of interaction from him tbh.
I'm OK at sorting Gamma usually, but not so here so far...

VOTE: gamma

So that was a thing

I toneread you scum still...

Nothing #i read in this one matches your town meta from previosly... whats goin on?

Gamma Health:

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Wisdommmmmm

gamma talk to us
any reads?

So Creature’s posting is absolutely awful but I don’t think his reads match what scum!him would do

no it isn't wtf guys
Creature is obvtowning it up

VOTE: gamma

I recall him not voting clem so he can go

Why the fuck does how you read me depend on your Wisdom read?

because read what you quoted

yep
his creature push was bs and so is his current one on you

stop hunting for 3ps and vote gamma

Recap

Good onwagon votes: Alchemist, BEF, Hebi
Good offwagon votes: Gamma, Nero, Thor

Gamma Health:

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Profiiiiìi

VOTE: vote: majiffy

are you trying to break the vote counter script?

Looks more like he just doesn’t realize how the tag works

Or you could let him answer himself, or whatever

VOTE: gamma

There is a link to Chickadee in the gamma iso and there are loads of associatives to get out of the gamma lynch. Go look for them they are there

Gamma Health:

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X_X

[DrewVa]

Don't let that piece of hot garbage mislynch me again.

Who is this in reference to?

I’m guessing Wisdom? He was deathtunnelling Nero in CoH.

I didn’t like Majiffy and I wasn’t thrilled with Nero’s entrance but his posting since then has seemed townie. \_0_/

[CheekyTeeky]

In a way the montage kind of converted my mindset into seeing how baseless a few of the votes on Gamma are. I still feel like Gamma is not town as he doesn't have his usual air of nonchalance/seems overagressive.

Gamma why unvote rather than vote elsewhere? What's your read on RCE?

[DrewVa]

Why Gamma?
I like Gamma, iirc.

Why do you not remember your own feelings?

What? This is a really weird post.

[Gamma Emerald]

@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?
As for why not vote elsewhere I have some considerations but I want to look things over before doing so. I don’t really have a read on RCE rn but he’s scum irl for getting a kick out of this.
@Drewva ok cool, anything more you’d like to say?