Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Nero Cain]

Lynch DGB here, though, dude's lynch helps town no matter what.

[Gamma Emerald]

even vote counts are getting automated.

I mean this thing

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Toogeloo
Actual factual sheeping the better logic here.

Why don't you like DGB, RCE?

I also think Bujaber's still scum and likely did a late bus of Clem when it was apparent that was the only wagon that would go through.

I don't remember if I answered this the first time but I've spoken on it a few times now. The chance that DGB or Nero is scum with Clemency is pretty high in my mind with the attention Chickadee drew from those wagons. My read on DGB and Nero are tied to each other because I don't think they are the same alignment, or at least the same team, but I don't know which of the two is scum, they were both the major wagons when chickadee did so.

I agree Nero's been a lot more town than Majiffy was so I'd prefer DGB first but I feel sorting one sorts the other regardless of which way it happens.

DGBs wifom doesn't want me to Lynch them any less since it's nothing more than that. The pushback on lynching DGB is worth looking into but I'm treading carefully since most of my townreads already scumread me, and the ones that aren't don't want DGB.

[RCEnigma]

So we agree on the target at least Varsoon. But I think the 3p thing is just an act.

[Varsoon]

Lynch DGB here, though, dude's lynch helps town no matter what.

Either he's
1. A role that performs some sort of functionality DGB actually wants when lynched/killed
2. DGB is scum and using this to intentionally get people not to lynch his awful play especially re:Toogeloo's blowup

Seems like a win/win.

P-EDIT:
That makes sense, RCE.
Finally a post you've made that doesn't make my skin crawl.

[BrightEyedFish]

We would be well off with a heb lynch today. How many times do I have to hint at it?

[Reasonably Rational]

I've changed my mind and I'm going to talk about my/our read on RR now.

Our townread on Nero is largely Regfan-lead, so he'd be much better off explaining that than me. We also both have concerns about Gamma despite an earlier townread on him.

However, it's Reasonably Rational that has my toes tingling.

It's Reasonably Rational that makes my palms all sweaty.

It's Reasonably Rational that inspires within me an insatiable lust for everyone's blood.

And here's why...

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Part 1: Their Approach to Amzela

Now for this section, 207 is important. Cerb does talk about how he is amazing at reading Amz which... okay sure we get it. But the key thing in this post is that he reveals his belief that Amz actually has reasonable experience in mafia and is probably quite competent. Keep this in mind for later.

Next in this story, we get to 879 and 884, which I can only honestly describe as a bit of a freak-out. Cerb attempts to defend himself in an elaborate way that's honestly a bit belittling and feels like an effort to just throw a whole lot of smoke at the idea of lynching RR until that idea goes away.

"pedit: AMZELA TRY TO LYNCH US IF YOU THINK WE'RE SCUM. That's just how the game should be played. I mean, you'll fail(I would expect us to top out at 8 votes at this stage in the day, 4 from people who have already expressed some inclination to be opposed to us, and 4 from people who don't care/are scum), but it could be a good exercise. <3"

^What even is with this seriously?

Well I know what I think. I think it's scum bravado.

1155 again just looks like an attempt to undermine the validity of Amz's read on them rather than actually talk things through with Amz in a sensible way. And is very inconsistent with 207! There's also no need to undermine Amzela's read on them as town. However, if RR is scum, having Amz scumread them is actually a concern. People might think "Amzela is scumreading the person she's dating! That seems legit!" RR has to hope that he can discredit Amz enough that people don't listen to her scumread on them.

I also think 2972 comes across as very showy. I'm pretty sure town-Cerb here just lets Amz take her V/LA and asks her for thoughts when she's returned from V/LA. This post seems much more likely designed to make it really look like Cerb REALLY CARES about sorting the Amz slot because of course he would want to sort that slot right? But the post itself is pointless and honestly kind of annoying given that Amz has just said she's on V/LA until the 7th.

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Part 2: Their Approach to Chickadee/Clemency

If I had to guess, I'd say that RR was scum with Chickadee/Clemency, but I wouldn't say that with much confidence. I am more confident in the fact that they are scum of some kind, whether it be with Chickadee/Clem or otherwise.

I think their approach to the Chick/Clem situation was pretty awkward. It could have been awkward because they were scum with Chick/Clem. It could have been awkward because they're just scum. Who knows? But it was pretty awkward.

Most concerning are posts like 1950 where he states he is waiting to hear Drixx's thoughts because he feels directionless, which honestly seems like an excuse to not engage with the Chick/Clem wagon in any kind of meaningful way. Particularly given that Cerb is not very hesitant to make thoughts/reads known during other periods of the game.

There is also 1954 where he gives a very half-hearted reason for not being excited about the Clem wagon.

"Pretty bad scum defense attempt if they are scum, and my standard BoP for strangers makes me feel that's more likely to come from town just not feeling like dealing with the shit their predecessor left for them."

... I am unconvinced.

Instead of doing anything useful or trying to actually work things out, the slot instead gets into an unproductive argument with DrewVa about why it was important for Toog to hammer. Sure, I agree, what DrewVa was saying didn't make complete sense. But DrewVa is someone that's a really easy pressure target for scum, because while DrewVa is veryveryvery likely town, if you argue with them in the right kind of way they will probably end up looking bad from it and you will look like you're doing ~stuff~. Win-win! My issue is that they didn't show nearly as much interest in actually working out whether the likely lynch was going to be on scum or not. Probably because they either didn't really care either way, or because they already knew.

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Part 3: The Toogeloo Boogaloo

2581 conveniently completely misses the possibility that Chickadee wasn't actually trying to link herself to Toogeloo in the previously quoted post, which was always going to be the most likely possibility.

2614 is not good. I would be less concerned if RR just told Toogeloo to get himself modkilled. Instead we get this reasonable- and rational- sounding post that is pretty pointless because players are naturally not going to want to get themselves modkilled?

But the above things in isolation are not overly concerning. What is worse is the reaction afterwards.

2656 is a really over-detailed explanation and reeks of over-compensating for the fact that they are obviously going to look bad after what happened.

It also should be noted that no-where in toog's role PM did it actually state that the day would continue after he was modkilled, nor did we have any reason to believe that.

2660 again just seems like a show, and again over-compensation. 2614 implies they weren't sure what toog's alignment was. 2660 gives the impression that they had this massive scumread on toog and just absolutely can't believe that he was town. Which was it?

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Please can we lynch them? It would be even more fun than lynching Chickadee/Clemency was. I promise!

-DV

ILU DV for giving me the opportunity to do the thing I love the most so early in the game! Working now, but just letting you know I did see this, and I will be going through every point you made to tell you why you're wrong, even though honestly, given that your words weren't followed by votes on me within the next two pages, the BEST thing to do to avoid being lynched would be to avoid legitimizing your case by responding to it.

-Cerb

[davesaz]

I didn't imply you wanted to Lynch RR, but if you don't then why are we still talking about Toog. Does it suck that he was forced to flip? Yes. Did I want him to flip today? Without a case predicated on Clemencys self vote...maybe. but that wasn't strong enough for me to want to flip him today.

Is it better that he flipped himself early rather than let town Duke it out on who's right or wrong, waste a large portion of the day, and miss out on hunting the ACTUAL scum connections? Imo yes.

No, him

hammering

actual scum, would have been the best thing for town, because then he’d be confirmed and still alive and we’d have lynched scum.

I don't know how many times it has to be said that Toog hammering would have done nothing to confirm him other than to prove he had a vote.
Beginning to wonder if this is scum trying to push a false narrative.

[davesaz]

Testing something.
VOTE: Hebichan

[Creature]

Testing something.
VOTE: Hebichan

[davesaz]

Not a clue what that means.

[DrippingGoofball]

Either he's
1. A role that performs some sort of functionality DGB actually wants when lynched/killed
2. DGB is scum and using this to intentionally get people not to lynch his awful play especially re:Toogeloo's blowup

Neither, it's just one of those "cannot remain in end game" type of role.

[Varsoon]

Sorry for saying 'he' instead of 'she', just noticed your pronouns.
Anyway
You'll probably get shot at then.
VOTE: REAsonabLy RATional

[Reasonably Rational]

Sorry for saying 'he' instead of 'she', just noticed your pronouns.
Anyway
You'll probably get shot at then.
VOTE: REAsonabLy RATional

I love you Varsoon. Between the "third paRRty" vote, and the REAL RAT here...just. Man. <3

-Cerb

[DrewVa]

When the other scumteam flips, we'll refer them as

rotten

apples and oranges

FIFY.

[DrewVa]

When

scumslip! lol!1!one!

Nah, Creature is obvtown based on meta. This is 100%, his towngame here.

[profii]

The !1!one! Inferred a joke

[DrewVa]

Last time I saw something like this, that person was scum. But more to the point, if Majiffy had some sort of tell that gave him an accurate scumread of Chick, and he knew that, why didn't he vote the guaranteed scum instead of avoiding the wagon?

Why did he have to vote one scum read over the other?

I'm not opposed to a Nero lynch fwiw so either is fine I guess.

Didn't you just argue that I'm not scum w/Gamma? If so depending on whether or not you think its MB or not, I'm at least 50% cleared. Why does town that believes that ever lynch me here?

Also, there's more than 3 scum in a 26 player, who else ya got?

It was like, I would somehow be lockscum, if he flipped town.

hey, you said it not me.

after Tails’ comment about not liking his appeal to me, I’m starting to wonder if Nero was actually manipulating me or not.

Sounds like Tails is doing the manipulating, not me.

@Drew: Nero doesn't need you to protect him. That he's acting otherwise is suspect.

She just said I got mislynched w/o her.

What makes you think I DON'T need one of the few people that seems to understand a town Nero? Especcially in a game with a large # of scum that are going to try to lynch me. I need her now more than ever.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t both scumread me and demand my protection. So, which is it?

How is Tails manipulating me here?

[DrewVa]

The thing that I hate about Toog is that I wish he let it go on a bit longer and maybe get a big wagon on him. Prob a ton of scum woulda hopped on.

For sure.

[DrewVa]

I didn't imply you wanted to Lynch RR, but if you don't then why are we still talking about Toog. Does it suck that he was forced to flip? Yes. Did I want him to flip today? Without a case predicated on Clemencys self vote...maybe. but that wasn't strong enough for me to want to flip him today.

Is it better that he flipped himself early rather than let town Duke it out on who's right or wrong, waste a large portion of the day, and miss out on hunting the ACTUAL scum connections? Imo yes.

No, him

hammering

actual scum, would have been the best thing for town, because then he’d be confirmed and still alive and we’d have lynched scum.

I don't know how many times it has to be said that Toog hammering would have done nothing to confirm him other than to prove he had a vote.
Beginning to wonder if this is scum trying to push a false narrative.

How is it a false narrative? It would have confirmed his role. By confirming his role, he gobal doc claim would have been far more likely to be believed.

My townlean on you just plummeted.

[DrewVa]

The !1!one! Inferred a joke

Okay. Glad to hear it.

[DrewVa]

I didn't imply you wanted to Lynch RR, but if you don't then why are we still talking about Toog. Does it suck that he was forced to flip? Yes. Did I want him to flip today? Without a case predicated on Clemencys self vote...maybe. but that wasn't strong enough for me to want to flip him today.

Is it better that he flipped himself early rather than let town Duke it out on who's right or wrong, waste a large portion of the day, and miss out on hunting the ACTUAL scum connections? Imo yes.

No, him

hammering

actual scum, would have been the best thing for town, because then he’d be confirmed and still alive and we’d have lynched scum.

I don't know how many times it has to be said that Toog hammering would have done nothing to confirm him other than to prove he had a vote.
Beginning to wonder if this is scum trying to push a false narrative.

Testing something.
VOTE: Hebichan

Shading me for ridiculous reasons and voting hebi.

[Creature]

When

scumslip! lol!1!one!

I'm now hoping the other scumteam really flips orange (or not)

[Creature]

Lynch DGB here, though, dude's lynch helps town no matter what.

A townflip won't help me though

[Creature]

We would be well off with a heb lynch today. How many times do I have to hint at it?

Okay, I get what you mean now

VOTE: hebichan