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[Clemency]

i was heavily considering making an alt where i play full serious

[Clemency]

yeah i don't blame you for considering me over sash

[Sashaddin]

erfect. You, me, and bji are in agreement. We lynch one of {Clem, Irrel} today. If that doesn't end it, whichever two of us are alive tomorrow lynch the other one. I strongly prefer Irrel today but if you guys both pledge to abide by this plan, and both want to lynch Clem today, I'll go along with it. Let me know if you agree.

I can go with either Irrelephant or Clemency either. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll follow this game plan.

[bji]

Sorry guys I am suddenly the logjam here as I have been kinda busy IRL for the past few days. I still intend to do another ISO re-read before making any vote committment. If Clem is scum and he wins, then oh well. I hardly consider a loss against someone who doesn't really interact with the game much to be a loss. Before a re-read my gut feel is:

Scum

Irrelephant

Sash

Clem

Town

[Clemency]

i mean i'm just really wondering on why garmr would lie about his motion detect target when he actually was a scum motion detector
was that like a bus attempt or what

[bji]

i mean i'm just really wondering on why garmr would lie about his motion detect target when he actually was a scum motion detector
was that like a bus attempt or what

That does deserve some closer inspection. On first blush it just reads like a complete mistake by Garmr whose motivation was to give some actual reasoning for his read on Irrelephant -- motivation could be trying not to be too suspicious for town reading his partner:

Btw Just going to claim I'm a motion detector I motion detected Ele there was no movement

which is why ele is low on my list to lynch.

I think the following needs some investigation too:

Tbh in the game state the way it is we won anyway so it doesn't really matter if I slipped to much.

[Persivul]

i mean i'm just really wondering on why garmr would lie about his motion detect target when he actually was a scum motion detector
was that like a bus attempt or what

That does deserve some closer inspection. On first blush it just reads like a complete mistake by Garmr whose motivation was to give some actual reasoning for his read on Irrelephant -- motivation could be trying not to be too suspicious for town reading his partner:

Btw Just going to claim I'm a motion detector I motion detected Ele there was no movement

which is why ele is low on my list to lynch.

Yep.

I think the following needs some investigation too:

Tbh in the game state the way it is we won anyway so it doesn't really matter if I slipped to much.

Absolutely not. Don't go down the wifom path. It only leads to madness.

[Persivul]

Sorry guys I am suddenly the logjam here as I have been kinda busy IRL for the past few days. I still intend to do another ISO re-read before making any vote committment. If Clem is scum and he wins, then oh well. I hardly consider a loss against someone who doesn't really interact with the game much to be a loss. Before a re-read my gut feel is:

Scum

Irrelephant

Sash

Clem

Town

WTF, a day ago you said Irrel or clem. I reread and came to agree with that. Now you're saying sash before clem?

[Irrelephant11]

Clemency’s consideration that Garmr choosing me as his fakeclaim might be town-indicative for me is a good look for Clem
F me this is hard
I’m gonna re read D1

I will try to clear up/explain my reads as best I can, since it seems like I’m the lynch (has anyone explained how I’m suddenly scummiest yet? I get that I had some scummy moments but I don’t think I’ve really seen a case this game day)

Also ftr I’m only accessing Mafiascum from mobile indefinitely so expect shorter posts and less PbP, but hopefully my analysis won’t suffer

[bji]

Sorry guys I am suddenly the logjam here as I have been kinda busy IRL for the past few days. I still intend to do another ISO re-read before making any vote committment. If Clem is scum and he wins, then oh well. I hardly consider a loss against someone who doesn't really interact with the game much to be a loss. Before a re-read my gut feel is:

Scum

Irrelephant

Sash

Clem

Town

WTF, a day ago you said Irrel or clem. I reread and came to agree with that. Now you're saying sash before clem?

Sorry I keep flip flopping in my mind on Clem vs. Sash. I guess there is some laziness involved because I keep hoping that we don't have to make that choice. And as I said that list was just a gut feel. I will give proper reads soon.

[Irrelephant11]

Meta reading Bji and realizing he endgames as scum in his most recent game (2016) makes me more wary of him than I was previously

I think I’m actually ready to say it’s almost never Clem
To go further into my reasoning on Clem, he has to do nothing here but let me get lynched (and pin bji or persivul with the blame in lylo/let Sashaddin get lynched in lylo). He has no reason to speculate further about my towniness. I still really like his D1, too, and his interactions with Garmr, unless he was openwolfing this entire game (some of his posts can be construed as talking to a partner very openly, which seems unlikely, not to mention the way garmr shut his vote down d2, like I did)

[Irrelephant11]

Bji suddenly scumreading me most this game day when the town leader wants my lunch is perhaps the most suspicious thing any of Clem/sash/Bji have done this game

I’ll keeo posting about Bji meta and sash read as I go

[bji]

There is alot to reread but I did notice something very interesting:

Garmr and Irrelephant talk to each other *alot*.
Garmr and Clem talk to each other *some*.
Garmr and Sash talk to each other *never*.

Still reading ...

[Irrelephant11]

There is alot to reread but I did notice something very interesting:

Garmr and Irrelephant talk to each other *alot*.
Garmr and Clem talk to each other *some*.
Garmr and Sash talk to each other *never*.

Still reading ...

This is something I’ve noticed but switch my name with bji’s
Maybe it’s still just sash???
Paranoia is real

[bji]

Meta reading Bji and realizing he endgames as scum in his most recent game (2016) makes me more wary of him than I was previously

It's worse than that. I've endgamed in

every

scum game I've ever played, and never lost as scum. Of course, the sample size is small (3 games) ...

FWIW, I've only lost as town once, and I was NK'd early that game.

So full disclosure: I've never been to LYLO as town, and I've always been to LYLO as scum.

[bji]

There is alot to reread but I did notice something very interesting:

Garmr and Irrelephant talk to each other *alot*.
Garmr and Clem talk to each other *some*.
Garmr and Sash talk to each other *never*.

Still reading ...

This is something I’ve noticed but switch my name with bji’s
Maybe it’s still just sash???
Paranoia is real

Yes my plan was to go back and qualify Garmr's interactions with all players using that same metric, but ostensibly I am supposed to be

working

right now, and I keep getting interrupted, and I can't focus well ...

[Irrelephant11]

Okay so I think it’s Sash again

[Irrelephant11]

But I’m like extremely paranoid of scum!bji

[Irrelephant11]

Bji can you explain again why you were so intent on asking NAI questions of multiple players at gamestart?
And why you were townreading Garmr D1?

[Irrelephant11]

Clemency:
post 895 tells me to lych him regardless of alignment
his vote/unvote/vote makes think think he could be bussing a scum!garmr
860 is ugh.

bji:
not yet fully redempted, I can still sense a bit of possible scum in his posts. Less reaching than Day 1 but now we're Day 2.
but I feel his mind going into all directions at once, it could be a confused town or a scum blurring his tracks. I could extract a few posts but I'm typing this quick because my wife can need me anytime.

Irrrelephant:
either town a a very good scum game. I could go on more if needed.

Reaper, Persivul, Garmr
being non-lethally targeted can come from many roles from what I've read. So I seee there's a triangle between Persivul, Garmr and Reaper. I can elaborate later. Garmr flipping will eliminate a few of the outcomes I see possible.

I'll post and elaborate more later when I have time.

The last paragraph here came after Garmr’s slip and is extremely weird

Sashaddin can you explain further why you never once scumread Garmr? I realize the hypocrisy in asking this but want to hear your reasoning

[Irrelephant11]

Bji what made me your acummiest read this gameday?

[Persivul]

Bji what made me your acummiest read this gameday?

This is part of why I scum read you.

[Irrelephant11]

Okay
I still want the answer, because I’m sorting the remaining players. You’ll thank me after you mislynch me and are stuck sorting hard-to-sort players in lylo. You’re enjoying the comfort of two mislynches, but fmpov I’m the next most likely lynch and I only get one shot to help town lynch correctly in lylo.
Also that actually doesn’t make sense as a post worth scumreading but I digress

[Irrelephant11]

Have you read any other games of mine?

Wish Skitter were still here tbh

[Sashaddin]

Sashaddin can you explain further why you never once scumread Garmr? I realize the hypocrisy in asking this but want to hear your reasoning

I thought he was town until he made that comment that outed him. He had good opinions I thought but when you know who's who it can be easier to fake stuff up. But he was in my town reads early on.
For what it's worth I don't recall speaking to ReaperofSouls either. I'm not the type to engage a lot early in the game.
And since I didn't speak to them, they also haven't spoke to me.