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[Persivul]

You keep asking for reasons that you're being scum read. You'd rather be defending than attacking.

[Sashaddin]

Wish Skitter were still here tbh

What would it change?

[Persivul]

There is alot to reread but I did notice something very interesting:

Garmr and Irrelephant talk to each other *alot*.
Garmr and Clem talk to each other *some*.
Garmr and Sash talk to each other *never*.

Still reading ...

This is something I’ve noticed but switch my name with bji’s
Maybe it’s still just sash???
Paranoia is real

But I’m like extremely paranoid of scum!bji

More paranoia tell.

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t care to defend against bji’s read on me; I care to see his progression is motivated by rereading and internal processing rather than matching his reads up to the conftown’s reads
He has to provide reasons for that

Geez I could be like “hello persivul how are you today” and you’d say I’m scum for empty posts you’re so so overtunneled
Like if you want to lynch me when I done sorting, fine, you’ll get your lynch I’m sure, but at least stop interrupting me doing the thing you *ostensibly want* me to do - you’re giving other people an out from answering my questions by calling me scummy for asking them.

Pedir: Skitter has played with me a bunch of times and persivul is scumreading anytime I defend myself so I wish she were here to do it for me

[Persivul]

persivul, let me know if you want me to towncase myself

/who you want me to focus on sorting, etc.
It seems I am at the bottom of your PoE, which I personally think I can fix, but I'll let you lead from here. I still think Clem should provide more in-depth thoughts before much else happens

Wasn't just to bji though.

[Irrelephant11]

I offered to help you not tunnel on me. Your answer showed that it would not help. I have not towncased myself since.

[Persivul]

More paranoia tell.

Actually I'll retract this. You use the word a lot.

[Persivul]

I offered to help you not tunnel on me. Your answer showed that it would not help. I have not towncased myself since.

Now if you'd just pick someone to push...

[Irrelephant11]

I think Sash is still the simplest answer, but I’m trying to read enough into Bji to be able to remove that paranoia because I’m learning now that they have a great scumgame

[bji]

Bji can you explain again why you were so intent on asking NAI questions of multiple players at gamestart?
And why you were townreading Garmr D1?

I only play once or twice a year at most, so every time I play I only kind of have a vague recollection of what worked and didn't work in previous games. My play skill may not be advancing very quickly because of this, and I may not be making optimum plays as a result.

I started a long wall here explaining myself but I know no one wants to read it. To summarize though (still a wall though, meh):

- I do think that getting people to talk about each other, and to defend against attacks (even really reachy ones), etc, is what town should be doing

- I do think that making scum feel like they need to be careful because their every play is going to be scrutinized is valuable, as I think it can lead to the kind of paranoia that you want scum to have because it could lead to them making mistakes. Of course not knowing who is scum and who is town, I have to apply that to every player equally, which does lead to attacks on town but ... even those can provide clues later in the game.

- Early on I was mostly trying to get Clem to talk about Sash and Sash to talk about Clem because I just thought it could be useful to get people talking, especially about each other. I also went on the offensive against Clem to test his reaction and others' reactions.

- My push on you was honestly calculated just as I said it. I wanted to make you uncomfortable if you were scum so that you couldn't play an easy game of it, I wanted you to be paranoid.

- I asked Sash about Garmr partially to try to make Garmr feel like he was on the outside of a discussion about his play, i.e. making him paranoid if he was scum, and to be honest in hindsight it looked like it worked. His reaction in real time did give me a town lean on him, because I didn't expect a scum to defend himself with such an obvious display of scum paranoia. So either he faked it to throw me off, which worked, or it was real and I just thought it was so over the top that I misread it as town paranoia.

That being said, because I wanted Garmr to be scum so bad because of our previous game together, I genuinely was very self-doubting of my evaluations of him.

In all cases I didn't have a clearly defined game plan; I was to a large degree just throwing stuff at the wall to see what stuck.

[Sashaddin]

In all cases I didn't have a clearly defined game plan; I was to a large degree just throwing stuff at the wall to see what stuck.

Clemency:

his vote/unvote/vote makes me think he could be bussing a scum!garmr

860 is ugh.

bji:
not yet fully redempted, I can still sense a bit of possible scum in his posts. Less reaching than Day 1 but now we're Day 2.

but I feel his mind going into all directions at once, it could be a confused town or a scum blurring his tracks.

Irrrelephant:

either

town a a very good scum game.

That's what I thought Day 2. Now:
1. I still find that voting thing fishy.
2. I was right about bji, he admits in post 1159
3. I still don't know dude, you're tight. You're having a bad Day 3 though.

After digging further, this is where I'm at now.

[Irrelephant11]

I agree I’m playing poorly this game day. Partially mobile posting partially not expecting to be a scumread, and also not being allowed to defend myself

Sash did you see my questions on the last page?

[Sashaddin]

I think we resolve claims before entering the wifom-territory of "why is persivul alive"

Is it time for this now?

[Sashaddin]

Sashaddin can you explain further why you never once scumread Garmr? I realize the hypocrisy in asking this but want to hear your reasoning

I thought he was town until he made that comment that outed him. He had good opinions I thought but when you know who's who it can be easier to fake stuff up. But he was in my town reads early on.
For what it's worth I don't recall speaking to ReaperofSouls either. I'm not the type to engage a lot early in the game.
And since I didn't speak to them, they also haven't spoke to me.

I'll add that going back to his early ISO I can't find much scum, and I had him as very townie on my Excel sheet at the time he "slipped".

[Irrelephant11]

Oh my bad I missed 1149
Same

I’m literally townreading everyone alive, where have I gone wrong
Kinda want to lynched so the decision of who to lynch in lylo isn’t mine tbh

[Irrelephant11]

The above is a joke, btw. I don’t want to be lynched (before anyone claims it’s AtE)

Sash talk to me more about Clem bussing Garmr in the world where they’re both scum. What made you think it was bussing, rather than just a vote on scum?

[Sashaddin]

Post #839 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:04 am Vote 1
Post #856 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:18 am Unvote
Post #865 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:27 am "Derp" from garmr
Post #868 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:30 am Vote 2

The timing of this, all in 26 minutes, sounds fishy. They were both on at the same time. Between 865 and 868 there are only 3 minutes, I imagined them panicking in the private thread after the derp, and choosing the obvious solution while it was still looking good. Looking at this particular section of the thread, I can easily imagine garmr begging to be bussed, he voted himself after all.

[Sashaddin]

The above is a joke, btw. I don’t want to be lynched (before anyone claims it’s AtE)

Oh yeah, what's AtE?

[Lady Angel]

Votecount 3.1:

Not voting: Clemency, Sashaddin, Irrelephant11, Bji, Persivul

With 5 Alive it's 3 to Lynch.

The following players have not posted since day start and will be prodded if they don't post before the next votecount:

Day 3 will end on December 25th, 2018 at 9:00 PM PST, or 16 days, 23 hours, and 33 minutes from this post.

[Sashaddin]

@Irrelephant first please, others can answer after

In 835 and 878 you speak of a one-shot PR or roleblocker. If I understand correctly, scum could kill but not block anymore tonight. Which means:
Percivul has a cop-read tomorrow or he's the nightkill.
If scum is more than a 1 shot PR, Percivul might survive the night without his last cop-read.

For each of the two scenarios, who's more likely to be scum?

[Persivul]

I’m literally townreading everyone alive, where have I gone wrong

You haven't. Everyone alive but you is town.

Irrel is using a pretty good tactic for caught scum. The nature of mafia is change over time. So, he's dragging the day out, without committing to anything himself, and just waiting for you guys to change.

@mod: I unvoted earlier - the VC's off.

VOTE: Irrelephant

I'm done until this is lynched.

[Irrelephant11]

Bji, please explain what made me the scummiest in your eyes this gameday
At this point I’m the biggest lylo liability so I don’t think I’ll fight my lynch, but unless Persivul is 100% sure who scum is after I flip vt, I’m going to continue playing to try to solve that; if it makes me more scumread, nothing changes anyway lol.

[Persivul]

@mod - it appears to me that Clem has a vote on Irrel, putting him at L-1

I want the guy lynched, bot not on a mod error.

[Clemency]

i was wondering whether i had to revote or something

[Irrelephant11]

Maybe I should rule out Bji just because he deserves the scum win the most
Clem why did you vote Garmr start of D1 again?