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[Clemency]

when exactly do you mean?

[Irrelephant11]

I mean I want you to explain again why you voted Garmr at the start of D2, and point to which Garmr posts contributed to the read

[bji]

VOTE: Irrelephant

That's hammer, right?

If you're town Irrelephant, then genuinely sorry. But on re-read of your ISO with Garmr's, there are just way too many associations:

- You talk to each other quite a bit, in a very kid-gloves way. Like no apparent suspicion directed between you two. It's almost too obvious, which starts my self-doubt; but then, Garmr was clearly playing a very risk-taking scum style, after all he fake claimed a target without even reading carefully about his target to see that the claim would obviously out him. So I could see a brazen "let's just talk to each other and agree with each other all the time, totally buddy it up" strategy fitting with that.

- I felt on numerous occasions that you too quickly backed down from your suspicion of me. I won't quote them all, but there were several times you said essentially "yeah bji is reading more towny now" (I'm paraphrasing) and in real time I was thinking, "huh, I wonder how he drew that conclusion". It became a pattern. I can cite post 642 as an example, where I totally made up my evidence for my town read on Sash just in response to your pressing me to give them. In fact at that time the only reason I was town reading Sash was because I thought we were secretly communicating about the cop thing; and the reasons I gave were made up and weak. And you acted like they were great reads. There are other examples of that, I can look them up if you want ...

- Garmr picked you for his fake target, and the whole reason was to justify his town read on you. That's just too suspicious.

- Persivul thinks you're scum. I won't lie -- there is some sheeping here. I trust Persivul completely and believe his reads are very likely better than mine.

[Irrelephant11]

Lol
It’s not Sash

[Irrelephant11]

Look closer at Bji, his scumgame is strong and there was no real reason to hammer there, I’ve still been rereading

[Irrelephant11]

Sash being Garmr’s d2 Target shows he wanted to pocket me and mislynch sash

[Irrelephant11]

I didn’t get hammered by three townies

[Irrelephant11]

This is town me if you didn’t figure it out yet and I really can’t figure out if it’s Clem or Bji

[Irrelephant11]

1177 is a terrible look for Bji (even trying to pocket Persivul, maybe)

[Irrelephant11]

I mean I want you to explain again why you voted Garmr at the start of D2, and point to which Garmr posts contributed to the read

I wanted this because I agreed with sash’s feeling that voting Garmr at start of d2 does look like bussing in retrospect
So it might still be Clem here
Sorry I couldn’t sort bji/Clem here but the fact that I got mislynched here is a joke anyway so GL

[Irrelephant11]

It’s never Persivul

[Irrelephant11]

(Though every bit of setup spec I’ve ever done has been wrong so what do I know)

[Irrelephant11]

Still, town has to have more than one PR, and unless Bji claims a plausible one before twilight ends, don’t believe him in lylo

[Irrelephant11]

(Felt like he was setting up for a lylo fake claim earlier)

[Irrelephant11]

Wow I thought I had so much more time to reread and sort

[Irrelephant11]

Bji saying that Garmr picking me as his target is +scum for me is also scummy from Bji

[Irrelephant11]

He should at least know it’s NAI since scum pocket townies at least as often if not more often than they hide their scumpartners with innos

[Irrelephant11]

Whoever is in lylo: give some slight town points to whoever votes first
(If scum votes first for the town points, all the better: it makes lylo a 1v1 and ensures town is in control of the hammer)
Town votes first more often than scum

[Irrelephant11]

Lol at this silent thread
Is there a traitor in this game? It would explain so much

[Irrelephant11]

Why is Clem even voting me?
Why is Bji silent in this twilight?

Mannn good luck lylo town

[bji]

If you are town then points to Garmr because he really buddied you up nicely.

I hammered because you were my top scum read because of the reasons I gave, and having you keep asking other players leading questions just didn't seem like a good strategy. I gave myself one more opportunitey to re-read your and Garmr's ISOs together and it didn't change my mind.

[Irrelephant11]

Thanks for the warning
I don’t twilight troll

[Irrelephant11]

Good luck lynching scum, occan’s razor should have told y’all my interactions with Garmr made me obvtown who got pocketed so I’m annoyed
I don’t have time to reread more right now so hope y’all can puzzle this out

[Irrelephant11]

Occam’s razor is Clem is scum I think

[bji]

Also I hammered because I do believe that town will make the right call in LYLO, and any further discussion is only going to reduce the likelihood of that. So from my perspective it didn't matter if you or me got hammered because the scum is in { Clem, Sash } and will lose in LYLO.