Mini Normal 2044: Game over!

[bji]

Good luck lynching scum, occan’s razor should have told y’all my interactions with Garmr made me obvtown who got pocketed so I’m annoyed

Don't be annoyed. Just blame WIFOM. There is no such thing as "obvtown" and you know it. If your interactions really could have been expected to make you "obvtown" then scum could have employed them for exactly that purpose.

[bji]

Also if it was supposed to be so obvious to us, why wasn't it obvious to you? Why didn't you call Garmr out at any point before he was lynched for trying to pocket you?

[Irrelephant11]

Obvious in retrospect
Like what is that question? “Why didn’t you call out Garmr for successfully pocketing you”

[Irrelephant11]

There is literally such a thing as obvtown and I do know it
Towncasing oneself isn’t scummy and Persivul will be learning a lot about how helpful “tells” are

I don’t think you tried to sort me at all, I think you came up with reasons to vote me when it was convenient for you to hammer

[Irrelephant11]

Which annoyingly, town has done before

[Persivul]

Good luck lynching scum,

Thanks!

occan’s razor should have told y’all my interactions with Garmr made me obvtown who got pocketed

Maybe if you had made that case in detail you'd still be alive.

so I’m annoyed

I don't really care for you so I'm glad you're annoyed.

I don’t have time to reread more right now so hope y’all can puzzle this out

It's day 3, there's already 48 pages of material...and you had all town reads. WTF?

[Irrelephant11]

Bji you should share your thoughts on remaining players
There’s a nonzero chance you get nightkilled here

[Irrelephant11]

Hey Persivul, remember when I said “let me know if you want me to towncase myself”?
And then you said no?
And then you mislynched me and told me it’s because I didn’t towncase myself

I take 0 responsibility for my own mislynch here

[Irrelephant11]

I don't really care for you so I'm glad you're annoyed.

Classy, kind, funny, and helpful!
Thanks for this comment!

[Irrelephant11]

persivul you more than anyone should be providing reads here

[bji]

Obvious in retrospect
Like what is that question? “Why didn’t you call out Garmr for successfully pocketing you”

The question is, how can you write this:

"Good luck lynching scum, occan’s razor should have told y’all my interactions with Garmr made me obvtown who got pocketed so I’m annoyed"

If it was obvious, you should have noticed that he was trying to pocket you earlier, even before he outed himself, you should have been suspicious if someone was so obviously trying to pocket you. But you never said anything. And after he flipped scum, you never mentioned it either.

Why didn't you point it out so that any town who didn't see the obvious pocketing could at least have been alerted to it and thus possibly avoided your mislynch?

[Persivul]

Hey Persivul, remember when I said “let me know if you want me to towncase myself”?

When I'm town and need to defend myself...I defend myself. I don't ask for permission.

[Irrelephant11]

Okay
You two made the wrong decision here (or one of you did it intentionally in which case get out of the thread you already mislynched me stop pissing me off), so rationalize it all you want
You scumread me when I defended myself and you scumread me when I didn’t. You literally called every single word out of my mouth a “tell”. There was no escaping your tunnel on me
Who took advantage of your tunnel? Bji or Clem?

[Persivul]

Classy, kind, funny, and helpful!
Thanks for this comment!

Seriously, you come across as condescending to me, and I don't like it. Examples: telling me what I'm thinking subconsciously; telling me you're offering me an opportunity to get out of a tunnel. I try to separate that dislike from my reads, but I'm only human.

[Persivul]

persivul you more than anyone should be providing reads here

I already have. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll reread and do my due diligence, and if warranted change my reads. But I

have

given them.

[bji]

I get the frustration Irrelephant. I am not trying to pin the blame of your mislynch on you. Just trying not to get blamed myself for not seeing "obvtown".

[Irrelephant11]

skitter protecting me is +town for me, too (she's played with me a number of times), but me saying this probably will make you feel like that's not true, esp. given a tunnel on me
whatever I'll stop towncasing myself and sort sash/bji/clem for you
my best guess rn is bji/garmr, using their distaste for each other's personalities to create distance

pedit: why couldn't it be him pocketing me? We just played a game together that ended at the beginning of the month, I think it's very possible he played up aspects of what got me to townread him there so that I'd townread him again here

I did say it was him pocketing me
Who’s scum? @bji

[Persivul]

Okay
You two made the wrong decision here (or one of you did it intentionally in which case get out of the thread you already mislynched me stop pissing me off), so rationalize it all you want

Relax. It's just a game.

[bji]

Persivul, why don't you care for Irrelephant? I like him so far. I liked you so far too but ... I don't like how you're treating him now ...

[Persivul]

I am not trying to pin the blame of your mislynch on you.

I'll pin it on him. It's D3, near 50 pages of activity...and he can't give a single scum read? He's reading everyone as town? That's messed up.

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t remember telling you what you’re thinking subconsciously. I think you’re condescension-reading my politeness, which is a character trait I exhibit in all games. At the very least the quickhammering was crappy.

Persivul if you’re confident everyone knows your reads, great. I don’t feel like I do, but I won’t be in lylo anyway, so *shrug*

Pedit: “messed up”? Lol. Every player other than me *has been towny*. That’s why you mislynched me, remember? So it’s not messed up, it’s where your head would be at if you were in my shoes

[bji]

Who’s scum? @bji

I'm not answering this. I'll answer if Persivul asks, but only if Persivul asks.

[Persivul]

Persivul, why don't you care for Irrelephant?

See 1213 above.

I like him so far.

Good! Maybe I'll like him in the future. I don't hold grudges.

I liked you so far too but ... I don't like how you're treating him now ...

I don't play a game where you have to lie and stab people in the back in order to make friends...

[Persivul]

loud doctor
loud cop
5 vts w/ maybe a less impressive PR
mafia goon
mafia 1-shot roleblocker??

cop + doctor is uncommon, maybe the "loud" is the way of counteracting - bad aim and scum knows you're a PR? but it's a micro... I'm bad at setup spec, but still paranoid about the loud cop

pedit: I mean I've considered that you could be town who *wants* to scumread Garmr but at the very least

your subconscious acknowledges Garmr's anger is town-indicative

He could be performing in theory, yes, but in that case I don't think he will "quit acting like a 2-year-old" at your request anyway, so...
pedit2: no it's not? I'm in the middle of towncasing Garmr for anger, and now I think you're angry, why assume I'm calling you "angry scum"?

[Persivul]

Who’s scum? @bji

I'm not answering this. I'll answer if Persivul asks, but only if Persivul asks.

OK. Who's scum?