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[Nako]

Do you have any response to DVa's case?
Also DVa, would you vote PP with me?

[Nako]

Kokichi, who do you think is the scum between DVa and Gamma? Also what do you think about PP?

[DVa]

Do you have any response to DVa's case?
Also DVa, would you vote PP with me?

I believe in this scenario it's generally better to stay on Gamma given how long my vote has been on him; while this list is inactive enough scum could plausibly failed to coordinate a quickhammer it would be surprising for it to have taken them *this* long

and while if it is me-nako-penguin in 3-way, I would almost certainly vote penguin there (and thus if it is not penguin I would just be delaying the loss by not voting him today), there is still the off chance that scum do not kill koki tonight, so I would prefer to stay on Gamma for now.

[Nako]

If we have 1 JK + 1 Vig + 1 Voyeur + 1 GS, I think a scum Doctor can be somehow possible. I returned back to 0 about Kokichi.

[DVa]

Scum doctor is possible, I just see it as one of only a few possibilities and not particularly likely given Koki's play

Do you think Koki fakeclaims masons at L-2 on d1 as a scum doctor? If Joey had denied him, or if town had a cop, he'd be setting himself up to get lynched hard as the strongest scum pr--and koki tends to post much more as scum, so why wouldn't he post even more as a scum pr?

[DVa]

If we have 1 JK + 1 Vig + 1 Voyeur + 1 GS, I think a scum Doctor can be somehow possible

like for this to be balanced, all scum needs is like one of ANY power role

compare this to something like hard boiled:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hard_Boiled
1 vig, one weak tpr (hider), one investigative (det/psych)
vs. 3 goons

add one of almost any scum prs to scum side and you can add a JK and it's basically balanced

rolecop, commuter, neapolitan, vanilla cop -- any of these as a power role for scum would make the setup balanced, and not result in the risk of it being viewed as scum sided in the way that a scum doctor would
also, given DrD's claim, it could be that scum were informed (and thus knew there was a JK)
if there was something like scum neap + informed scum then the setup would be regarded as balanced, easily

so given the multitude of possibilities I just don't see why we'd assume there's a scum doctor unless there was something about koki that would make us think that. And based on his play I don't see it as particularly likely.

So I'm much more inclined to just take the gunsmith inno as a real inno. If this was a large game, we'd also have to think about traitor. But I don't think we need to worry about that here either, it's most likely just 3 scum and there's no reason to think one is a scum doctor.

[Nako]

Makes sense.
I honestly don't think PP - Gamma interactions look SvS.
I'd like to learn if you'd vote with me if I vote PP.

[Nako]

I think PP might flip Mafia Rolecop/Neap.

[DVa]

I think PP might flip Mafia Rolecop/Neap.

Why?

[Nako]

I think PP might flip Mafia Rolecop/Neap.

Why?

Because if Kokichi is town for real, killing a scummy person instead of mason claim does not make any sense. This is why I think they checked Kokichi at night then killed someone else.

[DVa]

There are several things confusing about that chain of logic, but ok let's walk through it

1: Scum did not kill BEF. I voyeur'd BEF n1 and there was only one killing action. Seph claimed a shot on BEF, which means Seph was the one and only kill on BEF. This implies scum n1 failed their NK on A50. (I cannot imagine scum no killing n1)

2: Why would scum check a mason claim? If they believed it, they would be looking for any other TPRs, like doctors or cops {or gunsmiths}, that are a more significant threat. They kill the masons once they have mitigated the risk of protective roles and investigative roles. If it's three goons, they know there's something more than masons in the town power structure.

3: Even if scum had killed BEF, why would that point to Penguin over Gamma or make Penguin the scum PR?

[Nako]

Does not really matter who did they attack. They did now know Kokichi was fake mason at that moment.

[Nako]

DVa, if I vote PP, will you vote him with me?

[Kokichi Oma]

PP what are your thoughts

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 5.3

Gamma Emerald (1) -

DVa

DVa (1)

- Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (3)

- Kokichi Oma, Nako, PenguinPower

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-17 20:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[PenguinPower]

My thoughts are that I’ve been busier this week at work than any other year in the past 7. I’ll be here Saturday to read.

[DVa]

DVa, if I vote PP, will you vote him with me?

While the answer is yes I am still kinda perplexed by why you are asking this question. Gamma is basically confscum at this point and he's pretty clearly decided to elect an antispew strategy as caught scum so I don't know why anyone would change votes here. Like you and Koki could lynch Gamma here and then it could be 3-way by the time Penguin is ready to read the thread on Saturday and defend himself.

Like Gamma is never not scum here so... what we waiting for

[Nako]

That's from your PoV, I don't think he can be scum with PP.

[skitter30]

gamma emerald has been prodded

[Nako]

Kokichi, who do you lean on between the voters?

[DVa]

That's from your PoV, I don't think he can be scum with PP.

Why not?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald has been prodded

Hi, still here
Kinda checked out rn because boredom and I feel kinda useless

[Kokichi Oma]

I lean nowhere

[DVa]

Vote Gamma

[Kokichi Oma]

No