Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Keyser Söze]

Votecount 1.15

AnonymousGhost (2):

Aster 297, Gamma Emerald 311

Firebringer (1):

Clemency 394

Springtrap (3):

Firebringer 442, pinturicchio 776, ceejayvinoya 927

Blackjacks (2):

Keyser Söze 635, Volxen 709

ceejayvinoya (1):

Nibbui 807

Aster (1):

AnonymousGhost 867

Keyser Söze (2):

RadiantCowbells 887, Blackjacks 893

Not voting (1):

Springtrap 820

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).

Judging by the VC you can tell that scum are in control right now.
I go for 48 hours and now I’m the ‘compromise’ lynch?

Now I need to find out who is leading who.



P.EDIT: Why isn’t Springtap voting?

[AnonymousGhost]

you can?

i suck at VC

walk me through your conclusion

thanks

[AnonymousGhost]

EWBOP:

*VC analysis

[Blackjacks]

And me not having strong reads right now is not scummy. It is a true reflection of me versus the game. It is a tough playerlist.


Take you for example, you were scumming up the game until wagonned and after your little meltdown with RC. And now you’re suddenly “towned”? I don’t buy it. You were probably caught scum, and knew you had to change your focus and now just sheeping RC who everyone knows can push through any wagon. Why can’t my vote be on you? “Voteparking” is a bullshit narrative. You didn’t engage me when I had my vote on you, only now when I’ve been offline for 48hours.

this is a pretty towny post, if inaccurate

[Blackjacks]

Who are the Scums?

[Keyser Söze]

Other slots where I feel like something’s not just right here:


Volx. I want to sort this slot ASAP, but I don’t think he’s today’s lynch. (When I asked for people’s recent meta with Volx I was being serious, so please share).

Since I ‘engaged’ with Gamma and townread him I feel like he’s taken a step off the gas (so he’s sliding back down the wrong side of null for me). Didn’t like his reaction to RC’s readslist either. Don’t know if I can put it into words why.

I feel Ceejay has played a tactically distant game and only engages when namedropped. If it smells of active lurking, tastes of active lurking, it probably is active lurking. He probably feels pretty safe too as I don’t think he’s been waggoned yet.

Springtap. I wouldn’t be surprised if he flips town or flips scum here. I think his naked vote and unvote (when pressured on it may be the key moment of the game though)


I don’t think I would vote anyone outside this PoE right now, but neither do I think I’ve solved the game.

(If I was a cop I would investigate FireBringer tonight)

[Blackjacks]

what's your read on aster?

[Keyser Söze]

you can?

i suck at VC

walk me through your conclusion

thanks

Looking back at the shifting of votes at the time:-



Ok, the two interesting wagons in the VC were:

Springtrap (2): Firebringer 442, Nibbui 470
Blackjacks (4): Keyser Söze 635, RadiantCowbells 666, Volxen 709, ceejayvinoya 710


Then Pint votes Springtap!
Now 3vs4.

BJ wagon is still the lead wagon here (this is where the momentum was).

Then Springtap votes BJ...
I feel like the Pint vote may have triggered something in Springtap (who has been closed guarded all game, he must have been feeling/thinking something but did not share it). This looks to me like a vote he ‘had’ to do (either the prime bus position, or survivalist vote ).

Springtap then gets lambasted for it from a few players. Swiftly unvotes:

“noticed I was being scummy, so now I'm being quiet and accepting that I'll have to be lynched before LyLo or MyLo but I'd rather not hurt town by being hung day 1.”

(Reeks of AtE)... then ends with a ‘ahhh BJ is town afterall’.

Yeah right.

[Keyser Söze]

Aster is articulate and cutting with her observations: she hasn’t held back, strutting like a ‘smug’ townie. I think her over confidence in her own sorting makes her shortsighted though: I.e her take on RC and Volxen. If she were to open up in real-time (where tone can be more easierly expressed); and one of her scum reads flips scum, I’ll probably move her up to Nib/RC tier of town.

I don’t think she’s ever the D1 lynch.

[Blackjacks]

so, why is our trolling and volxen tunnel scummier to you than firebringer's "mask" and aster tunnel?

[Keyser Söze]

Firebringer observation was tonal paranoia on his entrance (it was a good point and still stands). I’d need more ‘meat’ than that to lynch him over you. What’s your read on him?

Wouldn’t say Aster has been ‘tunneling’ either, so that’s a misrep. Even though she has made a third of the posts of you I don’t think she has shown the narrow focus that you demonstrated as your push on Volxen.



Are you calling your play as a trolling now?

Feels like you’re just upset about my “voteparking” vote. Have you been caught for shit reasons?

[Blackjacks]

I meant firebringer calling for votes on aster, his early d1 play was pretty similar to ours

[AnonymousGhost]

Aster is articulate and cutting with her observations: she hasn’t held back, strutting like a ‘smug’ townie. I think her over confidence in her own sorting makes her shortsighted though: I.e her take on RC and Volxen. If she were to open up in real-time (where tone can be more easierly expressed); and one of her scum reads flips scum, I’ll probably move her up to Nib/RC tier of town.

I don’t think she’s ever the D1 lynch.

her current scum reads are myself - explicitly from Meme - and then Gamma who was listed as "potentially scummy" all the way back from page 16.

her current reads are basically a bunch of nulls are pretty much the entire player list:

'm still feeling neutral about Blackjacks aside from the part that I suspect scum may be pushing against them.

In post 867, AnonymousGhost wrote:
@Aster - so besides pointing out RC's chainsaw defense of Volxen in 751 and reaching an FoS on the both of them... did that post get you any closer to sorting out their alignments?

Besides that? No.

tis official 393 is whip cream. lots of words, but when you break it down into a single sentence... not much substance to it.

BlackJack
In post 393, Aster wrote:
Most unfortunately lurking isn't alignment indicative, which makes it hard for me to establish any proper read on them.


Gamma Emerald
In post 393, Aster wrote:
His active lurking while dancing around "my meta has changed" and calling it a town meta (323) does draw my attention as potentially scummy.


Keyzer
In post 393, Aster wrote:
So far Keyser Söze has given me no concrete reasons to think he's town nor reasons to believe he's scum. I'm writing him as "neutral".


Pint
In post 393, Aster wrote:
I am somewhat wary of pinturicchio because of this.


In a nutshell...

BlackJack = null
Gamma = potentially scummy
Keyzer = null

[AnonymousGhost]

if it ain't obvious... i don't think aster's done much game solving.

sure she's

said

a lot and done a lot of analyzation, but she hasn't done anything with that analysis i.e. getting a read on peeps' alignments hence scum

albeit this is a low fucking bar to pass cuz lurkers lololo

[Keyser Söze]

I meant firebringer calling for votes on aster, his early d1 play was pretty similar to ours

I wouldn’t put your two pushes on the same level...

I felt Firebringer’s vote was awkward but only RVS (a joke: voting Aster for #1 town supremacy? ) it never escalated to the heights of your push (where you trying to pull off a ‘I KNOW VOLXEN IS SCUM LYNCH HIM’(Look at associations later ) overall I think you looked uncomfortable and didn’t know how to enter this game

[Blackjacks]

I don't have scumreads

[Blackjacks]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Keyser Söze]

Aster is articulate and cutting with her observations: she hasn’t held back, strutting like a ‘smug’ townie. I think her over confidence in her own sorting makes her shortsighted though: I.e her take on RC and Volxen. If she were to open up in real-time (where tone can be more easierly expressed); and one of her scum reads flips scum, I’ll probably move her up to Nib/RC tier of town.

I don’t think she’s ever the D1 lynch.

her current scum reads are myself - explicitly from Meme - and then Gamma who was listed as "potentially scummy" all the way back from page 16.

her current reads are basically a bunch of nulls are pretty much the entire player list:

'm still feeling neutral about Blackjacks aside from the part that I suspect scum may be pushing against them.

In post 867, AnonymousGhost wrote:
@Aster - so besides pointing out RC's chainsaw defense of Volxen in 751 and reaching an FoS on the both of them... did that post get you any closer to sorting out their alignments?

Besides that? No.

tis official 393 is whip cream. lots of words, but when you break it down into a single sentence... not much substance to it.

BlackJack
In post 393, Aster wrote:
Most unfortunately lurking isn't alignment indicative, which makes it hard for me to establish any proper read on them.


Gamma Emerald
In post 393, Aster wrote:
His active lurking while dancing around "my meta has changed" and calling it a town meta (323) does draw my attention as potentially scummy.


Keyzer
In post 393, Aster wrote:
So far Keyser Söze has given me no concrete reasons to think he's town nor reasons to believe he's scum. I'm writing him as "neutral".


Pint
In post 393, Aster wrote:
I am somewhat wary of pinturicchio because of this.


In a nutshell...

BlackJack = null
Gamma = potentially scummy
Keyzer = null

yeah maybe she does lack reads with more commitment: I feel like she should have a lean on either me or BJ by now. And posting 4 nullish reads is very / LAMISTY. I still think her case on RC and Volxen was ballsy though (in a against the grind way).

[Firebringer]

If I was a cop I would investigate FireBringer tonight)

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[Firebringer]

Springtrap is like the most boring wagon of all time even if he flips scum

Since when do we lynch people based on interesting wagons

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

Is this a interesting wagon?
Well it has me so I guess it’s pretty lit

[Firebringer]

Firebringer observation was tonal paranoia on his entrance (it was a good point and still stands). I’d need more ‘meat’ than that to lynch him over you. What’s your read on him?

Wait what

[Firebringer]

I felt Firebringer’s vote was awkward

Ur awkward!

Got em

[Firebringer]

Listen people,
Springtrap is scum. I don’t care to spend time making a detailed case but there’s no solving in springtrap a iso. Not even voting anyone.

This is also RC approved so it’s got that going for it. Though if it were disapproved I would also say that’s a good point for it.

Let’s make this game great again! Lynch springtrap

[Keyser Söze]

If I was a cop I would investigate FireBringer tonight)

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I think you’ll be the hardest slot to sort: you’ve had this nice but nasty (passive aggressive?) tone permeating your interactions, I don’t know how to read it. I think it may be deflective/defensive.

AKA THE MASK