Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[AnonymousGhost]

what makes you think i wanted you to change your mind? i just wanted you to play - the outcome wasn't the goal ;3p

[Gamma Emerald]

you sounded like you were trying to defend the way you were interacting with me

[Firebringer]

same difference~

i am scared of ur nails more.

[AnonymousGhost]

@gamma

not really

i apologize if i overstepped my boundaries and attacked you as a person though

im still annoyed at the lurkers/general thread activity, but im happy you got involved and couldn't care less about the result of our interaction cause that means i can go back and try to get a read on your alignment

cause yay! activity~

p-edit:

@fire

:3p

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't feel attacked in any sense outside of the game fyi

[AnonymousGhost]

:thumbs up:

[Firebringer]

:3p

what does this emoji mean.
i am unfamiliar with ti

[Gamma Emerald]

its a cat

[AnonymousGhost]

basically this

btw refresh my memory

what was the progress of your aster read? BJ said it started out silly, but did it become a srs read between then and now?

[Firebringer]

it was a silly read. not a read really now it is a null/scum read.
but if i don't have any indepth analysis of disaster.

i don't really think disaster should be lynched today, but i kind of agree with ur analysis on disaster

[AnonymousGhost]

ok

do your thoughts about Scum!Spring align with what Keyser has said about Springtrap in terms of scum reading 'em?

[Firebringer]

I have to read what keyser said.

[Firebringer]

Then Springtap votes BJ...
I feel like the Pint vote may have triggered something in Springtap (who has been closed guarded all game, he must have been feeling/thinking something but did not share it). This looks to me like a vote he ‘had’ to do (either the prime bus position, or survivalist vote ).

Springtap then gets lambasted for it from a few players. Swiftly unvotes:

“noticed I was being scummy, so now I'm being quiet and accepting that I'll have to be lynched before LyLo or MyLo but I'd rather not hurt town by being hung day 1.”

(Reeks of AtE)... then ends with a ‘ahhh BJ is town afterall’.

Yeah right.

Dont think spring was ateing but I think that post was scum aligned

I found other things in springs posts that was scummy in tone

[AnonymousGhost]

which one?

[Nibbui]

I think I can do either Fire, Keyser, Ceejay or Spring today

Mainly Ceejay to be honest, and if no one wants Ceejay that has been kinda sly, I can go to Spring.

Keyser or Fire would be a compromisse if no one posts a good case for they, because even if we try to lynch them, if they flip town, we'll not only have mislynched but will have kept alive unreadable or lurking slots.

VOTE: Spring

If someone changes vote to Ceejay I can go over there.

Honestly though? I don't think Spring is flipping scum here at all.

[Firebringer]

By the way, I skipped the first discussion 'cause it seemed too early to be serious, but I'll read it now since, as I understand, it was serious for some players.

In other news, I didn't like BJs' entrance. The post was fine, I laughed, but seems like it was prepared before the game started. My problema with that is that it was a huge post and it's obvious that took a lot of effort. I tend to scumread people who puts that much of an effort on RVS; preparing a post before the game starts is past that line. Does someone else has another point of view about this?

Wouldn't it make more sense to call Gamma out for the RQS post for being pretty big and before the game even started? He put more effort in, IMO.

I think I can do either Fire, Keyser, Ceejay or Spring today

Mainly Ceejay to be honest, and if no one wants Ceejay that has been kinda sly, I can go to Spring.

Keyser or Fire would be a compromisse if no one posts a good case for they, because even if we try to lynch them, if they flip town, we'll not only have mislynched but will have kept alive unreadable or lurking slots.

VOTE: Spring

If someone changes vote to Ceejay I can go over there.

Honestly though? I don't think Spring is flipping scum here at all.

hey i am not lurking

[Nibbui]

I didn't say you were Fire.

I said the opposite, that if we don't lynch Ceejay or Spring, if either you or Keyser doesn't flip scum, we'll be stuck with lurkish slots or unreadable ones like Spring, and that will keep being a bother because it'll be easy to say that Srping looks "scummy".

If there's not very good reasons to town read Spring or scum read one of you, maybe it's better to lynch there.

Ceejay sounds like real scum though.

[Nibbui]

Still, Spring sounds more like town than scum to me.

I might be just being dumb honestly, I'm too easy on new players. (like I was with scum!Sashaddin in a newbie game)

[pinturicchio]

Sup, cunts

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagonomics

[pinturicchio]

There are four scumbags here guys, if you town yourself up this should be easy enough, we already have some associations. For example, I have nothing on spookycat, but I'm pretty sure he's scum with Springtrap. So can we lynch Springtrap and confirm my gut? That would obvtown Gamma too

[Gamma Emerald]

There are four scumbags here guys, if you town yourself up this should be easy enough, we already have some associations. For example, I have nothing on spookycat, but I'm pretty sure he's scum with Springtrap. So can we lynch Springtrap and confirm my gut? That would obvtown Gamma too

Explain? I suspect spookycat but have no clue why people actually suspect Springtrap

[pinturicchio]

I'll come back tomorrow, I'm still pretty fragile after surgery.

[Gamma Emerald]

Get well soon, cos deadline approaches and finding a bridge between my thinking and the group think would be nice

[Aster]

aster's my scum read. 393 pinged me as fluff, 3 null reads, and a potentially scummy read on Gamma

yeah maybe she does lack reads with more commitment: I feel like she should have a lean on either me or BJ by now

>_>

First of all: yes, post 393

does

contain three neutral reads. No, it's not secret; each player's read's final sentence summarised that. No, it was not due to lack of effort in case you were wondering. No, you did not make an amazing discovery by looking at the last sentences and ignoring the rest. (By the way, I prefer the term "neutral read" over nullread because "null" seems to imply you know nothing whereas "neutral" only implies that whatever you know does not point in the direction of town/scum.)

As I'm sure you've noticed [because the very post mentions it], the reason I posted reads on those four players was because I was directly asked to. As it happens, it actually took me over four hours to conclude those "nullreads". I read the entire thread over and then all concerned players' ISO's as well. My conclusion was that for three out of four players I could not sort them as either scum or town.

Now, if after four hours I couldn't sort them as either scum or town, why am I supposed to give anything but a neutral read on them?

I am not familar with anyone's meta here. I seem to lack this sense of "feel" that you all seem to have. I am not in the business of calling people town/scum based solely on the order they put their words in; giving "leans" based on insignificant data leads to confirmation bias and tunneling. I could not find anything that significantly indicates scum nor something that significantly indicates town, so I'm not going to try to force a read on them.

[/rant on mafiascum meta of assigning leans based on literally anything]

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Look on Ceejay's ISO guys.

- He doesn't take a firm position on anyone

Only one of your points in 815 is legit (joining the BlackJack wagon). the rest are just conf bias or differences in play style.

AnonymousGhost, in the above post you dismiss "doesn't take a firm position on anyone" as a valid scumtell. Yet somehow you seem to be pushing a bandwagon against me based on nothing but "doesn't take a firm position on anyone". It seems to me that you are unable to keep your scumtells straight and are just saying whatever happens to be convenient for you. Do I have to explain why this is scummy?

I still think we should lynch AnonymousGhost today. THE MEME MEN were already the scummiest bunch around and their replacement AnonymousGhost hasn't done anything to improve their position.

REVOTE: AnonymousGhost