Excalibur [Endgame]

[Nancy Drew 39]

Kokichi is getting lynched tomorrow, and then Dunn maybe the day after that, but today we're lynching Maria

Good luck with lynching Merlin.

even if you are merlin you have told dozens of lies. you have lost credibility man.
i don't get how you don't see that.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

i was thinking this before but auroro is probably scum here.

If he votes no lynch, he’s probably town. He promised to vote no lynch, after I made my case, so we’ll see. Him trying to get me to vote Maria was definitely weird though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and i don't think kokichi is town here.
he argues for having a lynch to play at an optimal way even though he townreads me, and nothing else he has done has been optimal.

so if you believe in optimal play, why just in this scenario? Why do you believe in playing optimal for lynching people you townread (which isn't optimal but that is a whole other argument). And believe in telling a billion lies and think that is optimal?

I am a believer in not playing optimally because I think that makes the game ridiculously boring and unfun. But even I can see when someone says optimal play and isn't playing in that way is either A) putting on a face or B) inconsistent

And I think Kokichi should get lynched because then I can figure what is real or not out.

I have no idea wtf Kokichi is in this game but I legit have never seen him act this scummy since Necromancer.

I’m still scratching my head as to why Varsoon asked him to read me here. *head exploding*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, you're getting frustrated because you want to lynch Fire for completely shitty reasons and I am calling you out on it. Does that make me scum? Or are you angry because your reasons for wanting to lynch Fire are not as pro-town as you want to believe?

You haven't scum-cased Fire at all, you are in a weird situation but you're not thinking objectively about that situation. If you have the sword, then openly advocating to mislynch town just because they make decisions *based on you and Dunn manipulating them* is extremely anti-town and in that case, given your "I won't use the sword until I mislynch even MORE town" attitude, then yeah, you should be lynched, because you are having a bad game and are acting like a liability. If you and Dunn want to fuck with the town and play 4D chess then we have to eliminate one of the two of you so we can the sword to someone who won't turn this thread into an unreadable mess.

You're also using a bunch of AtE to drive your shit wagon on Fire and think that town "won't no lynch" so you default to scum reading me when my position is that *if we are not no lynching, then you should be the lynch* WHICH IS THE TRUTH. NO ONE has refuted my point on this that one mislynch and the sword being used tonight is better than a pure mislynch with the owner of the sword totally outed.

Vote no lynch or self-vote. Unless you're scumreading Fire, you should do one of those two things. Pushing a lynch on someone that bought into you and Dunn manipulating them *to think you were scum* is awful.

+1

Sorry Maria, I have to agree with this, voting Fire isn’t protown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you have told dozens of lies

Me? Lie? Never.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation.

Am I wrong?

This is probably what he's talking about

But he still is wrong.

I’m not sure who Merlin is but I’m having real trouble believing it’s Kokichi.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lynch it with fire

You could try a little harder to dial down the open wolfing, jes’ saying.

[Kokichi Oma]

and i don't think kokichi is town here.
he argues for having a lynch to play at an optimal way even though he townreads me, and nothing else he has done has been optimal.

so if you believe in optimal play, why just in this scenario? Why do you believe in playing optimal for lynching people you townread (which isn't optimal but that is a whole other argument). And believe in telling a billion lies and think that is optimal?

I am a believer in not playing optimally because I think that makes the game ridiculously boring and unfun. But even I can see when someone says optimal play and isn't playing in that way is either A) putting on a face or B) inconsistent

And I think Kokichi should get lynched because then I can figure what is real or not out.

I have no idea wtf Kokichi is in this game but I legit have never seen him act this scummy since Necromancer.

I’m still scratching my head as to why Varsoon asked him to read me here. *head exploding*

You townread me in necro and I was scum

[Nancy Drew 39]

We're either lynching fire or no lynching

Fire is town, so no lynching. Kokichi is trying to hardpush Fire mislynch.

[Kokichi Oma]

I'm scum

[Kokichi Oma]

Town*

Sorry autocorrect

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maria, you're getting frustrated because you want to lynch Fire for completely shitty reasons and I am calling you out on it. Does that make me scum? Or are you angry because your reasons for wanting to lynch Fire are not as pro-town as you want to believe?

If we no lynch fire is just going to duel me again. I am conf town so you're basically letting fire control who he does. The reason fire is getting lynched is because he's gonna be anti town the whole time. This lynch isn't about lynching scum because I'm pretty sure it's clear both of us are town here. It's about getting rid of fire who is being anti town right now. I listed my reasons for wanting fire lynched why do you want me lynched?
1) Because I have the sword?
2) Because you think I could be scum and you can't read me?
What is your logic for lynching me here.

You haven't scum-cased Fire at all, you are in a weird situation but you're not thinking objectively about that situation. If you have the sword, then openly advocating to mislynch town just because they make decisions *based on you and Dunn manipulating them* is extremely anti-town and in that case, given your "I won't use the sword until I mislynch even MORE town" attitude, then yeah, you should be lynched, because you are having a bad game and are acting like a liability. If you and Dunn want to fuck with the town and play 4D chess then we have to eliminate one of the two of you so we can the sword to someone who won't turn this thread into an unreadable mess.

Stop putting me together with Dunn. I have no idea what dunn is doing and I have no control of what he's doing. I have not 'fucked with the town' or played chess at all. I wifom'd the day before about going for the sword or not. If you want to argue that was the wrong play then we can argue about that. That is the only type of chess I played. I claimed the sword and I still have the sword so I have no idea what you're talking about with me being anti town. You haven't proven you're town. I am saying I will be the IC for town until I think we need to cop more people and I want you dead because I think your play is scummy. Yes I haven't scum cased fire because I don't think he's scum

You're also using a bunch of AtE to drive your shit wagon on Fire and think that town "won't no lynch" so you default to scum reading me when my position is that *if we are not no lynching, then you should be the lynch* WHICH IS THE TRUTH. NO ONE has refuted my point on this that one mislynch and the sword being used tonight is better than a pure mislynch with the owner of the sword totally outed.

The only ate I have used is the blacklist part and while that is fair I have not ate'd anywhere else. I'm town the wagon on me is shit period you're wanting to lynch an IC is dumb period. Why should I be the lynch? Because I have the sword? That's just dumb. What are you gonna after? Lynch the next person who has the sword.

Vote no lynch or self-vote. Unless you're scumreading Fire, you should do one of those two things. Pushing a lynch on someone that bought into you and Dunn manipulating them *to think you were scum* is awful.

Stop acting like you know the correct play when you don't. Fire will hold this game hostage hell he even admitted to doing so he needs to go so we can lynch the legit scum.

When did he do that? Link or quote, please.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My running theory is dunnstral is town has the sword and is hard defending maria because he truly misguided believes she is town.

And usually i would ask dunny to come out and completely tell me the truth regarding this, but I can't rely on what he says.

This is very frustrating.

Yeah, I’m townreading Dunn too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What is your logic for lynching me here.

I can't believe you're asking this because I think it couldn't be more obvious I want a no lynch.

I'm voting you because you refuse to commit to a no lynch, which I think you, as town, should do. If you have Excalibur you should stop playing like scum.

If scum want to present Fire as the low hanging fruit that they can safely mislynch here then I want to make it clear that the mechanically optimal lynch is NOT in fact fire, it is you. If scum are going to mislynch Fire here I want them to work for it.

But what we should actually do here is no lynch because FireVMaria couldn't be more obvious TvT. I would much sooner believe I'm wrong on you and that Elsa or someone actually has the sword and you really did fakeclaim, but I doubt it.

If we're lynching in a TvT where one has the sword, we should lynch the person with the sword. That way we avoid the mislynch on the other person, get to have someone else claim the sword, which either makes the sword owner unknown to scum or confirms Merlin tomorrow.

If we're lynching where someone has fakeclaimed having the sword, we should lynch the person fakeclaiming having the sword.

So, if I'm right, we should no lynch. If I'm wrong, we should lynch you.

No lynch is 100% the most protown option and the arguments to mislynch Fire, make 0 sense and only help scum’s wincon, so why is ANYONE who’s actually TOWN in this game, ever want to do that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would nl if I didn't think fire would just insta duel me again giving scum a free nk.

I think fire wants me out of the game for a combined number of reasons so he'll dual me again if we nl. So I'm lynching him to get rid of that. I don't know how more painfully clear I have to make this

@Fire, would you promise not to gladiate Maria tomorrow?

We have way better options.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy or DVa should be shot. Anything either of you want to say before Arthur shoots you?

I’m town, good job here Sherlock.

[Kokichi Oma]

Nancy or DVa should be shot. Anything either of you want to say before Arthur shoots you?

I’m town, good job here Sherlock.

And I'm town, good job here Nancy Drew

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy is really towny...

I’m not entirely sure if Kokichi is scum or just blind. It’s actually hard to tell atm.

And I think DVa is probably also town. I really think she wants a no lynch and is just pushing Maria to vote for that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy or DVa should be shot. Anything either of you want to say before Arthur shoots you?

I’m town, good job here Sherlock.

And I'm town, good job here Nancy Drew

You’re town but you want Arthur to shoot me? Right.

[Elsa Jay]

You're using the fake people have fake claimed I have the sword to take away credit when no one has outright said
'no maria doesn't have the sword I have the sword'
The only person to do that is Elsa who has been proven false.
People can fake claim whatever they want and retract it later as a result. Fake claims shouldn't discredit from serious claims.

Mfw you ignore the legitimate one. Then again, your also still claiming to have it.

Laugh now. You wont laugh when my Arthur minion shoots you

So is my plan to shoot Nancy or...? Seems fine to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and i don't think kokichi is town here.
he argues for having a lynch to play at an optimal way even though he townreads me, and nothing else he has done has been optimal.

so if you believe in optimal play, why just in this scenario? Why do you believe in playing optimal for lynching people you townread (which isn't optimal but that is a whole other argument). And believe in telling a billion lies and think that is optimal?

I am a believer in not playing optimally because I think that makes the game ridiculously boring and unfun. But even I can see when someone says optimal play and isn't playing in that way is either A) putting on a face or B) inconsistent

And I think Kokichi should get lynched because then I can figure what is real or not out.

I have no idea wtf Kokichi is in this game but I legit have never seen him act this scummy since Necromancer.

I’m still scratching my head as to why Varsoon asked him to read me here. *head exploding*

You townread me in necro and I was scum

That was like my 2nd game on here and the first game I’d ever played with you. The only scum I correctly identified in that game was Brass, due to scum lolhandling the harmless zombie mechanic.

So Varsoon is very very mistaken to make reads on me from that game on literally ANYTHING.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You're using the fake people have fake claimed I have the sword to take away credit when no one has outright said
'no maria doesn't have the sword I have the sword'
The only person to do that is Elsa who has been proven false.
People can fake claim whatever they want and retract it later as a result. Fake claims shouldn't discredit from serious claims.

Mfw you ignore the legitimate one. Then again, your also still claiming to have it.

Laugh now. You wont laugh when my Arthur minion shoots you

So is my plan to shoot Nancy or...? Seems fine to me.

Great, I want out of this stupid game anyway. (no offense FG. <3).

And you’re not freaking Arthur.

I’ll be having fun in dead chat mocking the REAL Arthur, if they are that blind.

[SirCakez]

You guys posted a lot again ugh
I've been at work all day but we still have over a day left so I will catch in the morning
Sorry just too whupped to concentrate on this

[Varsoon]

What I'm asking is if town Nancy has a history of defending other players this hard.

Elsa is Arthur and Maria has the sword, I've already been over this shit.
Lynch Fire.

[Varsoon]

@Dva: Here's the problem with lynching an actual sword holder at the time; Scum is FAR MORE likely to be able to parse out who Arthur and Merlin are based on the hypo and fake claims, meaning that Arthur never gets the sword, Merlin dies, and we're heading into a D3 where scum kills Arthur and even if town gets the sword, scum can claim they got the sword as well, so it's no longer a hard IC D4.