Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Reasonably Rational]

Oh, A50, I just needed the role name..like goon, or tracker, or whatever. You didn't have to include the factional detail, damnit man.

Welp, I guess that means the joint ISO is useless, since now we know that they weren't on the same team!

-Cerb

[profii]

[Varsoon]

A50 be tiltin.

[DrewVa]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

[profii]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

3769

he was doing as much as he could for chick day 1.

they are fairly obvious buddies from that imo

[DrewVa]

Eh, if Gamma is scum I'd think he's more likely paired with DGB, that's a lot closer to how scum Gamma treats scumbuddies.

btw why haven't we given DGB his jester win yet? -DVa

[Reasonably Rational]

UNVOTE:

I'm bad. Sorry. DVa is right. I completely ignored the "Vanilla" part of Alonzo's cop role, and read it as just "Amnesiac Cop"

-Cerb

[profii]

Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

not removing my vote without a claim then

[Reasonably Rational]

Eh, if Gamma is scum I'd think he's more likely paired with DGB, that's a lot closer to how scum Gamma treats scumbuddies.

btw why haven't we given DGB his jester win yet? -DVa

...

There are 15 alive out of 26 to start the game.

8 dead town, 1 dead from each of two different factions(so we're not close to reducing KPN at all), and 1 3p.

Why do you think we have the time to spend a lynch on someone you suspect is a jester?

-Cerb

[DrewVa]

BEF would not have known who Alonzo's target was, based on A50's previous statements about how results would be displayed; he clearly stated results are in teh form of "your target", with no indication of who the target is; therefore, BEF would not have known who the guilty was on.

I do need to analyze the posts from Nero to see if there's any indication of who he targeted so we can make sure we're not walking into a bus driven mislynch.

-Cerb

I asked the mod about that. Alonzo’s results aren’t randomized or chosen by him. There are 3 results-getting backups. in case 2 of them died. Right @A50?

[pinturicchio]

If there are two scumteams, an SK (supposedly) and FL saying he can shoot people, why were there two deads? Can we assume that maybe one of the scumteams can't shoot? I played a multiball where only one of the teams had a nightkill. Maybe that's why they're called the Underdogs here.

[pinturicchio]

Also, UNVOTE: Gamma
I didn't notice the vanilla part either. Can we assume there are lot of VTs in this game if there's a Vanilla Cop in the setup?

[profii]

I was expecting a lot more killing when I was invited to this game

This

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Stop this

Stop what?

You’re just doing your night 1 always target FL thing, but had you targeted me, you’d be dead.

I thought this was PGO crumbing but with the BEF flip, I've no idea and ultimately want to just lynch before we get too close to MyLo/LyLo

[DrewVa]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

Also, the way Cheeky was hardpushing him, makes me think that they are never w/w here.

[profii]

I'm not sure why Alonzo's result even matters here; we've only had one vanilla flip out of what, like 10 people? Doesn't make Gamma guilty but I'd like to see a stronger "Gamma is scum" argument than "Alonzo showed him as non-vanilla" which tells us almost nothing -- DVa

Also, the way Cheeky was hardpushing him, makes me think that they are never w/w here.

again, 3769

[DrewVa]

I'm sick. I'll either be here a lot...or not at all. We'll see. Have fun kids.

Nice setup of using you being sick as a potential alibi for coasting!

Ew.

Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but BuJ remains the ideal lynch today.

I feel that this statement warrants explanation.

-Cerb

Post-game, maybe.

Maybe

Why only postgame, what advantage would that give?

I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.

Can we get chickadee today and DGB tomorrow? If I need the puppy dog eyes ok but...

No.
Chick/Clem seems to be a LHF push based on activity

I'm gonna place a bet that Gamma flips the same team as Chick.

So, you’re saying that Cheeky is on another scumteam.

Ah okay.

[profii]

yeah im saying from the flip info, now confirmed by A50 it's Underdog (Chicka) VS Mafia (cheeky)

And to me it very much looks like Gamma was doing what he could for Chicka

[DrewVa]

There are 15 alive out of 26 to start the game.

8 dead town, 1 dead from each of two different factions(so we're not close to reducing KPN at all), and 1 3p.

Why do you think we have the time to spend a lynch on someone you suspect is a jester?

There's at least three more anti-town with three flipped anti-town, including one neutral. At this point it's pretty obvious there's 2 scum teams and a serial killer; in addition to that, we already have a day 3 survivor flip.

We're looking at 20:6 already, and if either of the mafia teams have more than 2 members, then we'd be 19:7 or 18:8. I don't see how we have room for a jester in the setup so if he's going to basically hardclaim jester, then he is likely to flip scum if the setup doesn't really have room for a jester.

Worst case scenario, we give Jester his win, which is always funny to me; best case, we hit a group scum trying to pretend to be third party.

-DVa

[Varsoon]

VOTE: DGB

I am really really cool with this.

[davesaz]

I think I missed some pages on VLA but would need to look to be sure.
Has someone claimed to receive results which would have come from Alonzo? I haven't been looking closely for that.

[DrewVa]

I think I missed some pages on VLA but would need to look to be sure.
Has someone claimed to receive results which would have come from Alonzo? I haven't been looking closely for that.

No but based on what A50 told me, there absolutely should be. I am still waiting on him to respond to my follow up question but I think he’s probably sleeping rn.

[BuJaber]

DGB is scum using WIFOM. Stop giving her the jester out. Jester is a dumb role for dumb setups. It discourages scumhunting and gives scum an easy out.

The more I play mafia the more I realize that "too scummy to be scum" is rarely an actual thing and if someone is being "too scummy" you lynch them.

I'm surprised by alch's death. Why would scum shoot someone who like BEF had a false result? If it's a vig shot then the vig should have waited to hear him out.

VOTE: DGB

@profii - I've been thinking gamma's tone was townie throughout the game but you raise an interesting possibility. I'll look into his ISO, particularly around creature's wagon on d1 and the clem rep-in.

[BuJaber]

RR seems different here than overkill 1.
It's hard to explain but like you guys had...stronger opinions about who people were wanting to lynch and who they weren't. Here it feels like you're mainly going with the flow.

And you were very quick to give me your analysis of your self-meta but like all it was really saying was "good luck folks you can't catch us we play the same way as both alignments" which frankly the way you try to sound really objective in your arguments makes it pretty easy to immitate as either alignment.

And of course you haven't responded to fortian's case on you.

All in all if dgb is not the lynch today and the gamma case is not solidified we lynch RR.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL who did you shoot

Uhm, honestly, I forget, but I don’t think it was either of those two.

I might not havethe ability to shoot right now, I guess.

Nero might have bus driver’d me, though, and if that happened, then Alchemist or Alonzo could have died from me. I got super busy, so i forgot, haha.

@RCEnigma - congratulations. Good thing my shots at you didn’t go through.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, duh. I shot at Tails.