Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

Creature · Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:36 am

I'm probably giving a way too easy townread on rb

Vorkuta · Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:38 am

In post 241, Creature wrote:Even 10 townreads feel bad tbh (specially if the three remainning don't all feel like scum),

Can you TL;DR them into 1 nice concise post as your ISO is a bit difficult and flip-floppy to read?
Also it would help with sorting you out.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:06 am

In post 249, mbaki wrote:
In post 246, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 232, mbaki wrote:I don't know why I had him as town. I re-read the game, and his posts are mediocre for a player of his caliber. Don't love how quickly he changed his YYotta vote and shifted it to Oka, nor his possible pocketing of Nero.
So you're saying he's good at town and bad at scum?
Just the first 5 words.

I see your other post since I asked this saying he's not a scum read, but it seems this has affected the strength of your town read on him so I'll ask anyway: you describe his play as mediocre. Don't you think it's more likely other factors have caused that than his alignment? You acknowledge that he's a good player. You are now acknowledging that his scum game is probably good too. A red PM probably would cause him to get sloppy. I think you're town but I want to encourage critical thinking. Mafia is never as simple as town playing well and scum playing poorly. It's about everyone's motivations and reasons for doing things.

mbaki · Post Post #253 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:27 am

This will probably mildly annoy you, but 252 is townie.

Vorkuta · Post Post #254 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:38 am

mbaki wrote:but 252 is townie.

In post 223, Kmd4390 wrote:My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.

So..... what you're saying is... that it could also be not so townie

Varsoon · Post Post #255 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:48 am

@Mbaki: So you're retracting that I'm a high-caliber player?
I'm hurt ;p

mbaki · Post Post #256 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:02 pm

In post 255, Varsoon wrote:@Mbaki: So you're retracting that I'm a high-caliber player?
I'm hurt ;p

Noooooo I didn't retract that

mbaki · Post Post #257 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:02 pm

In post 254, Vorkuta wrote:
mbaki wrote:but 252 is townie.

In post 223, Kmd4390 wrote:My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.
So..... what you're saying is... that it could also be not so townie

Lol..... no...

OkaPoka · Post Post #258 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:15 pm

varsoon reminds me of formerfish

creature

what do you mean by reads coming before reasoning?

Varsoon · Post Post #259 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:18 pm

In that I was once a creature of the sea?
What do you mean, OkaPoka?

Kmd4390 · Post Post #260 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:21 pm

In post 253, mbaki wrote:This will probably mildly annoy you, but 252 is townie.

Great, but did you actually take in what I was saying?

OkaPoka · Post Post #261 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:21 pm

https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=21997

You remind me of this player

Varsoon · Post Post #262 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:26 pm

I'm familiar with the guy
I just don't see the connection?

OkaPoka · Post Post #263 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:29 pm

I guess we'll see.

Do you typically scumread people who fence-sit?
Do you hate people who can't give a straight yes or no?
Do you like 1v1ing people?

Creature · Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:34 pm

In post 258, OkaPoka wrote:what do you mean by reads coming before reasoning?

Reads are harder to explain than you think. You need to swim around until you find something to land your feet on.

Creature · Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36 pm

In post 261, OkaPoka wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist. ... le&u=21997

You remind me of this player

Thought about this.

OkaPoka · Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:37 pm

I guess gut reads sure

But reads you act on should have some basis in reasoning, no? Otherwise I feel like then you'd be looking for reasons to townread/scumread someone and then we enter the magical land of confbiasing. Because I'd say 90% of actions (I made that number up) are actions that both scum and town would do, it's the 10% that really matters.

Nero Cain · Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:41 pm

hey Creature why haven't you said words about me?

Creature · Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:42 pm

I dunno how to read you rn

I usually just wait

Kmd4390 · Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:43 pm

hey Nero why haven't you said words about me?

OkaPoka · Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:44 pm

y do we have to say words about any1 if unprompted ?

Nero Cain · Post Post #271 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:45 pm

b/c L2ers matter not to me

Varsoon · Post Post #272 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 263, OkaPoka wrote:I guess we'll see.

Do you typically scumread people who fence-sit?
Do you hate people who can't give a straight yes or no?
Do you like 1v1ing people?

I typically scumread people I don't like.
I don't hate anyone, really--but I don't like when people are furtive about a position they hold.
1v1s can be exhausting but I get caught up in them a lot because I get passionate about my reads and conf-bias into my own reads confidence a lot.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #273 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:50 pm

In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:b/c L2ers matter not to me

Hey I'm working on getting back.

Nero Cain · Post Post #274 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:53 pm

In post 270, OkaPoka wrote:y do we have to say words about any1 if unprompted ?

I mean its scumhunting. Like, it's possible that when reading the game that you'd find nothing interesting about the slot but Creature kinda lukewarmly called me scum and the most I've gotten in so far as reasoning is a face. Creature and I have plenty of experience together and I think he's gotten fairly well at reading me and I thought it was strange he hadn't really mentioned me save for the previously mentioned face.