Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[DrewVa]

better fl is underdogs then, maybe mafia is dead
GF + RB vs 2goons+? -d

Wouldn’t that be unbalanced though?

They should have equal numbers. There’s 2 dead mafia, Clem/Varsoon and 2 dead underdogs, Cheeky/Gamma.

[DrewVa]

I disagree, this is precisely the day we should rush

scum are afraid of a town protective on profii and anything we do other than following the guilty risks outing that protective

this is like fire and ice, or maybe assassin in the palace, where our wincon is likely the remaining serial killers trying to hit each other or whatever other anti-town nonsense is left out there -d

[Fortian]

Can someone compose a post with all the information that we currently have -- all the flips / alignments / teams / claims, everything.

[profii]

They are literally called underdogs and have no power roles

The name is the clue I think - I’m assuming they are a team of goons and that’s why all their PMs say they are up against it

[DrewVa]

They should have equal numbers. There’s 2 dead mafia, Clem/Varsoon and 2 dead underdogs, Cheeky/Gamma.

if fl is goon, then 3 goons vs. GF + rb is balanced-ish
balanced for this madhouse anyway -d

[DrewVa]

Oooo here’s a game we should all play

As per yesterday you know my result tells me the alignment of my target (ie that Gamma was an underdog)

In the interest of getting some info today everyone should predict which team my result tells me FL is on and I’ll tell you all what I’ve got later

Okay, so, FL is scum, so not unvoting.

Underdog due to hard Gamma defense?

[DrewVa]

I disagree, this is precisely the day we should rush

scum are afraid of a town protective on profii and anything we do other than following the guilty risks outing that protective

this is like fire and ice, or maybe assassin in the palace, where our wincon is likely the remaining serial killers trying to hit each other or whatever other anti-town nonsense is left out there -d

But shouldn’t we find out first which groupscum, he is?

[Fortian]

This is absolutely not a day or situation we're rushing, we're going to secure the victory, nail down a PoE and win this today.

We should even be considering mass-claiming and trying to piece everything together at this point.

[DrewVa]

We should even be considering mass-claiming and trying to piece everything together at this point.

strongly disagree -d

[DrewVa]

They are literally called underdogs and have no power roles

The name is the clue I think - I’m assuming they are a team of goons and that’s why all their PMs say they are up against it

Ah, so maybe DVa is right then and mafia is dead. So after tonight, all groupscum is dead and just SKs. So, 2 non-scum 3Ps so far, RCE, Thor.

[DrewVa]

This is absolutely not a day or situation we're rushing, we're going to secure the victory, nail down a PoE and win this today.

We should even be considering mass-claiming and trying to piece everything together at this point.

All scum have fake claims, so what good would that do?

[DrewVa]

This is absolutely not a day or situation we're rushing, we're going to secure the victory, nail down a PoE and win this today.

We should even be considering mass-claiming and trying to piece everything together at this point.

All scum have fake claims, so what good would that do?

Mass claiming is a terrible idea and will only help scum out any possible existing PRs.

[Fortian]

I don't think I can be bothered explaining how poor your grasp on optimal theory/play here is, I'll just wait for other people to turn up.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DrewVa]

I don't think I can be bothered explaining how poor your grasp on optimal theory/play here is, I'll just wait for other people to turn up.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Scum have fake claims, what’s not to understand?

[Fortian]

I don't care if scum have fake claims or not, we're not clearing someone from setup speculation or things based on all of the claims or things like that. Mass-claiming just helps provide a wealth of information, allows us to try and piece together what's happened during these night phases; work out a bit better what we're probably still up against. Can read people based on how they claim / how their play fits their claim and things like that. But I'm going to let DV speak with you from hereon out, I'm done because I just can't be fucked anymore.

[DrewVa]

I don't think I can be bothered explaining how poor your grasp on optimal theory/play here is, I'll just wait for other people to turn up.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

there's perhaps 3 killing scum with 10 living players and today's lynch is already set

in a closed setup

you have some bombshell you can spill it but don't act like our understanding of the theory of this situation is flawed, mass claim here is not at all obviously superior to a rushed dayphase with minimal information for killing scum -d

[DrewVa]

I don't care if scum have fake claims or not, we're not clearing someone from setup speculation or things based on all of the claims or things like that. Mass-claiming just helps provide a wealth of information, allows us to try and piece together what's happened during these night phases; work out a bit better what we're probably still up against. Can read people based on how they claim / how their play fits their claim and things like that. But I'm going to let DV speak with you from hereon out, I'm done because I just can't be fucked anymore.

It helps scum know if and what any town PRs are and therefore - due to fake claims - it’s a horrible idea.

Do you seriously not think scum has rehearsed them by now? What possible info can we get vs. how much we give to scum?

[Wisdom]

profii what is the result
Im still assuming town or sk for fl

[Wisdom]

nancy youve mixed up flips

Clem and gamma are underdogs.
Cheeky and varsoon are mafia.

[DrewVa]

profii what is the result
Im still assuming town or sk for fl

it's underdog, profii wouldn't be gloating if it was an inno -d

[Fortian]

BuJaber is quite possibly with Clem/Gamma based on reading I did overnight FTR.

[Fortian]

profii what is the result
Im still assuming town or sk for fl

Yeah IMO reaction-testing thing (Which is stupid but meh, he can have his fun) where FL is town > FL is SK > FL is mafia probably.

[DrewVa]

profii what is the result
Im still assuming town or sk for fl

Profil presumably has a guilty on FL and he can only get results on groupscum and the Underdogs are all goons, so most likely FL is an underdog and the last groupscum.

[Wisdom]

Thoughts about remaining players

Flavor Leaf - sk or town
DrewVa - town
BuJaber - something non town
Tails - prolly town
davesaz - dont know
profii - town
Wisdom
DrippingGoofball - 3p
Fortian - dont know
Amzela - not underdog. Maybe mafia

[DrewVa]

nancy youve mixed up flips

Clem and gamma are underdogs.
Cheeky and varsoon are mafia.

Oh okay, that makes a lot more sense.