Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.08

votes

[4] Suka

:

Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71, YyottaCat 337, BrightEyedFish 349

[3] DrDolittle

:

Leodanny 107, rb 163, Varsoon 370

[2] Nero Cain

:

DrDolittle 55, mbaki 357

[1] BrightEyedFish

:

Suka 343

[1] YyottaCat

:

Kmd4390 23

[1] rb

:

Creature 18

[1] Not Voting

:

Vorkuta 386

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-12-21 12:00:59)

Mod Notes

: Kmd4390 is V/LA until Saturday.
Prodding Creature and DrDolittle. Kmd4390 is due for a prod but will receive an unofficial "poke", as he is V/LA.

[Leodanny]

Vorkuta you should vote!

[mbaki]

@mod

the Nero votes are messed up in that vote count (i.e. they're separated).

VOTE: Suka

RB, who would be a good person for me to place my vote on? If Nero Cain is your top town read I will support that. I don't have a good place to push right now though.

[northsidegal]

@mod

the Nero votes are messed up in that vote count (i.e. they're separated).

Fixed.

[Suka]

VOTE: Suka

Why?

[Vorkuta]

Vorkuta you should vote!

Sure- let me just hop on the Suka wagon and make it L-1!!!

No.
Not until I have even the slightest idea of who MIGHT be scum/town.

[Suka]

Not until I have even the slightest idea of who MIGHT be scum/town.

There's more than enough posts to have ideas about who the scum/town are.

[mbaki]

Vorkuta you should vote!

Sure- let me just hop on the Suka wagon and make it L-1!!!

No.
Not until I have even the slightest idea of who MIGHT be scum/town.

Your vote should be on someone at all times in the early stages of the game.

VOTE: Suka

Why?

Wagon building. Nero Cain being town makes you a likelier candidate for scum, and I am confident in RB being town who is confident in Nero Cain being town which for early to mid day 1 is plenty. Where is a better place to have my vote?

[Suka]

Where is a better place to have my vote?

Scum.

I suggest voting BrightEyedFish.

[mbaki]

I considered / am considering that. Any good case?

[Suka]

His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.

[Suka]

I'd also be willing to lynch Vorkuta at this point.

[Nero Cain]

His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.

"EVERYONE THAT VOTES ME IS SCUMMY!"

y have you two abandoned DDL is scum?

[Kmd4390]

Your comment had nothing to do with it.

Interesting timing then. Can you tell me what triggered it if not my comment? You were asked multiple times and never once answered until I asked.

VOTE: suka for no reason..?

LOL

i'm townreading this

Why? If anything it's making me doubt myself on suka because it looks like scum seeing a wagon not on them and jumping on.

Dude it's a 14 page game
Even if you had to read literally all 341 others posts again, that'd take, what, 20 minutes?

20 minutes gets me through about 2 pages personally but having kids might be part of why.

I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..

If it doesn't make sense to you, why are you willing to jump on it? I see you were voting Suka when you said this and Suka was the lead wagon. What would be the reason for jumping off? Do you no longer scum read Suka? Actually....I kept reading after typing this and you called Nero vs Suka town vs town. Why were you even voting a town read in the first place?

If I can get a Yyotta policy wagon going, then I'll get on it.

I mean... I think yyotta is scum but if calling it a policy lynch will get people to vote there I'm all for it.

I'm the IC.

Newb...

Persuading isn't helpful. Besides the obvious problem of confirmation bias, it gives the scum cover to sheep.

I've made my top suspect clear. If someone needs explanation to see that my perspective comes from town, I'm happy to oblige. But don't expect unsolicited explanations. And regardless, I'll never "justify."

Oh wow maybe it really is a newbie game...

[Vorkuta]

His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.

I'd also be willing to lynch Vorkuta at this point.

Well you realize that you aren't exactly scoring brownie points with that reasoning?
With my vote on you, that'll make 6 (4 as per VC, 1 from mbaki right after).
Anyone with an intent to hammer/follow up?

[Suka]

Can you tell me what triggered it if not my comment? You were asked multiple times and never once answered until I asked.

That's untrue. You were the first to ask.

I offered some thoughts on Nero because I realized the need for a less passive approach in this playerlist.

[Kmd4390]

His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.

I'd also be willing to lynch Vorkuta at this point.

Well you realize that you aren't exactly scoring brownie points with that reasoning?
With my vote on you, that'll make 6 (4 as per VC, 1 from mbaki right after).
Anyone with an intent to hammer/follow up?

If Yyotta isn't getting lynched, I'd probably vote Suka.

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Yyotta unless she says literally anything, at which point I hop on the suka wagon.
Barring future developments of course.

[Kmd4390]

Did you miss my questions to you in 438?

[Suka]

Vorkuta, why are you playing so much worse than your initial newbie game?

[Nero Cain]

Can you tell me why you were scum reading me pre-114?

You were less town than others.

such great logic. I mean, prior to 114 I'd done nothing but vote you so it's not like I really expected you or anyone to town read me but it seems a little weak that you felt it was vote-worthy. I think it was more likely a delayed OMGUS vote.

mbaki, why don't you townread me despite having the same reaction to Nero's posting?

A good question indeed.

and the answer is?

Your sole hard scum read, YyottaCat

I have never called YYotta a scumread.

So you spent several pages pushing for a lynch that you didn't scum read? Bang up town play there.

but there is

YYotta on the scum side slightly.

So you kinda lied?

"but it was wea...."

WE KNOW.

Sans meta

Unfortunately, sans meta is not how we are playing mafia. If you prefer to play in meta-less games Town of Salem might be more your speed.

TSO is beneath. MS>MU>TSO>EM. Here's the thing though, meta is a useful tool but its not this say all be all of scumhunting. Creature's content is ass and you know it so you're falling back on meta. You have this strange double talk where you are saying my content is scummy while ignoring my meta but ignoring Creature's content and invoking "town meta!" if you are going to use meta then you can't pick and choose where and when to apply it.

talk more about how you go from town reading me to

me being your #1 scum read

and you want me lynched

T

alk more about how the first 20 pages of a game are not allowed to have read changes.

I town read you for weak reasons, now I scum read you for weak reasons. Welcome to day 1 of a mafia game. And stop with the underlined, you are adding things in that were never said

constantly

, and it is more argumentative than debate-y.

bold is really defensive. When

ppl

usually vote they usally vote their top scum read so I don't feel like I've done you some great disservice by assuming that you would do that.

[Nero Cain]

@ mod

-DDL is also on V/La so shouldn't you not prod him?

[Nero Cain]

unless he lied in the thread and he's secretly not v/la....

[Vorkuta]

If it doesn't make sense to you, why are you willing to jump on it?

It's like with most things this game- I'm hoping that the process of jumping on said wagon would help me understand the wagon better.

What would be the reason for jumping off? Do you no longer scum read Suka?

I really don't like the way she responds to things, but likewise I think that even if she were scum she'd show the bare minimum effort in TRYING to defend herself.

Why were you even voting a town read in the first place?

To see where the wagon would take me.

Vorkuta, why are you playing so much worse than your initial newbie game?

What does this even mean..? Where do I even begin?
-I replaced into my initial newbie game that already had like 3 L-1 wagons worth of feuds to analyze.
-I didn't do jack that game. We won because of

divine

PR intervention.
-you're all meta reading each other more than you are actually... deducing stuff.

[OkaPoka]

What's wrong with putting people on L1?